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    New Monorail System Idea

    I recently posted as thread, wondering if a refurn and extension of the system would be feasible. I have compiled some information, based on my knowledge of the existing system at the resort. Bar in mind, that this new transportation would eventually bring about the end of the bus system. Also it would take a miracle for the WDC to look at this proposal.

    The following expansions would be completed in two or three phases.

    Phase One: A New Transportation Plaza, New Lines to the existing parks (w/o Monorail service), a system of LIM enclosed transport vehicles (for the resorts)
    This phase will consist of a grand Transportation plaza that will link two different transportation types. The Transportation Plaza will be designed in a modern (metal, glass, atriums, spiral escalators) fashion. There will be three new monorail lines at the TP (MGM, DAK, and the TTC {for trans. to the barn}). These lines will all be connected to each other at the TP, usinf the newest most advanaced swutching technology. During this phase all Deluxe Resorts will be connected via a enclosed PM style transport, that is elevated and travels along a LIM track, similar to that seen in Minority Report, except on a much smaller scale. Six new trains will be designed and added for this phase. The trains running on the TTC,Epcot lines will remian in service. The current trains will be able to run on these lines when necessary

    Phase Two:A TTC, Resort, Epcot line refurb (including new trains). The Value Resorts and The Corondao Springs resorts are linked via the PM style transport to the TP. Construction will begin on a fourth line to DTD. All trains will be capable of running of each line, creating an ability to use as many trains on as many lines as needed.

    Phase Three: The DTD line opens, and a PM style transport opens between all other resorts and the TP. At this point the resort will be fully integrated in the PM sytle transport and monorail (with the boats also). Buses will only be needed when absolutely necessary.



    So, your thoughts, comments, opinions.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Cool idea, but very costly, perhaps it could go something like this:

    Phase 1 would see a second TTC built at DTD Westside, seperate morail lines would go to the original TTC, MGM and AK.

    Phase 2 would see 2 new stations added to the loop, connecting in the 2nd TTC, one station would be located at DTD Marketplace, and one will be located around the boardwalk area, serving the Epcot deluxe resorts. If possible, AK lodge will be added to the loop.

    A total of 3-4 new trains will be added in order to provide a fast and efficient service between all deluxe resorts (with exception to WL) DTD and all theme parks.
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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    It's great to dream big ... sadly, Disney doesn't deliver on big ideas like this anymore. It's all money-driven, which isn't in itself a bad thing, but it's all short-term thinking.
    Like I've posted before, if gas suddenly is $5 a gallon or more for the future ... those buses are going to be awfully expensive to run.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Agreed, but look at the cost of diesel, those buses must run on diesel or natural gas, it keep s going up.

    They should look to alternative forms of transportation before the either reach gridlock with buses, or can't afford to operate them anymore.

    There probably isn't any chance of Iger starting to put vast amounts of money into the parks is there.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1974
    It's great to dream big ... sadly, Disney doesn't deliver on big ideas like this anymore. It's all money-driven, which isn't in itself a bad thing, but it's all short-term thinking.
    Like I've posted before, if gas suddenly is $5 a gallon or more for the future ... those buses are going to be awfully expensive to run.
    One of the few things to look forward to if gas prices rise....the possibility of a new monorail system?
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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    The cost of monorails still exceeds the cost of bus transportation in the short term sense. Disney would be more likely to charge for the bus transportation or have that as an add-on package or an incentive to pay for Ultimate Park Hopper Tickets. The latter which has actually been rumored recently.

    I have to admit, the monorail might be the better choice as far as emissions, and WAYYY long term cost saving measures, but right now, they are just too expensive to build and maintain.

    Look at WDW's current fleet. It is about 75% on the way to falling apart. They are pouring massive loads of cash into just keeping the things rolling. They don't even have the money to upgrade the new digital system.

    As far as the "I Wish" category goes, Downtown Disney needs it desperately. It would do wonders for business down there as well as provide a more efficient funnel for after-park traffic.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    I know that Pre-9/11 and when Florida's High Speed Rail project was still on track (sorry for the pun), that a HUGE refurb/addition to the monorails was developed. Since Florida's High Speed Rail line would be making stops at MCO and Disney, Disney would need a station for it (exactly where on property I have NO idea). Disney also knew (and still knows) that busses can NOT handle guest demand. This new station would have become the central hub for Disney transportation, including monorail lines to all 4 parks, DTD, and a number of resorts.

    However these plans came to a screeching halt after 9/11 and the subsequent drop in tourism. The High Speed Rail project's delay didn't help either. There is still a lot of support for this within WDW, however, as been said ad nauseum on this and countless other Disney boards, the cost is just too great right now. I'm willing to bet that when the High Speed Rail project is a sure thing, then we'll see an expansion, barring any other major drops in tourism.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Just bringing the WDW to par with the Monorail system they have at TDR or even the MTR Disneyland Line at HKDLR would be a major improvement over the current state of WDW's monorail system. I find it quite laughable when you ride the monorail from Epcot to TTC and the PA narrator explains how the "modernization of the WDW Monorail system was completed in 1991" What a joke!!

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    I think what you have in mind is a wonderful idea. Having monorails connecting to all the parks and DTD is a lot more convenient than buses. By the way does anyone know how much it costs to build new monorails and the tracks?

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Maybe just as much if not less than WDW's next mega Motel6 resort.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    They have plenty of rooms, on property, I mean wasn't that the point of pop century. I was reading on another forum, that in 2000/01 they had all these plans for a light rail, more monorails, etc. But haven't heard anything since then.

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    The plans are still active... but Downtown Disney needs to be saved first. So, that is where the budget is going.

    Downtown Disney is dead on weeknights...

    Honestly, from my standpoint, Downtown Disney is what will get the monorail idea working. There are no busses that go directly to Downtown Disney from the theme parks. (actually has to do with people parking at Downtown Disney and taking a bus to the park to avoid the parking fee at the park lots.)

    Anyway, to get people at Downtown Disney, they will be forced to build a monorail line there from the parks. (Busses would not work due to traffic jams in the Downtown Disney area... the most congested area on property.) A new parking structure was approved by RCID a few months ago. Although it is not yet known where it will be installed, rumor says Downtown Disney is where the parking structure will go.

    Downtown Disney is also having problems of its own. A re-development plan is in progress. Pleasure Island is in for some major rehabs, and a fireworks show for the lake has been proposed.

    So, they're going to try and get people there on their own with the fireworks and the rehab of PI. If that doesn't work, then you'll see the transportation expansion take place. Once again, it's all about money. In this case, getting PI packed on weeknights. LOL (It's dead there except on weekends.)

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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Well no matter amount of money is going to get people into Downtown Disney after a long day at the parks (if they are tourists) or a day at work (if they are locals) in the week.
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    Re: New Monorail System Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill
    The plans are still active... but Downtown Disney needs to be saved first. So, that is where the budget is going.

    Downtown Disney is dead on weeknights...

    Honestly, from my standpoint, Downtown Disney is what will get the monorail idea working. There are no busses that go directly to Downtown Disney from the theme parks. (actually has to do with people parking at Downtown Disney and taking a bus to the park to avoid the parking fee at the park lots.)

    Anyway, to get people at Downtown Disney, they will be forced to build a monorail line there from the parks. (Busses would not work due to traffic jams in the Downtown Disney area... the most congested area on property.) A new parking structure was approved by RCID a few months ago. Although it is not yet known where it will be installed, rumor says Downtown Disney is where the parking structure will go.

    Downtown Disney is also having problems of its own. A re-development plan is in progress. Pleasure Island is in for some major rehabs, and a fireworks show for the lake has been proposed.

    So, they're going to try and get people there on their own with the fireworks and the rehab of PI. If that doesn't work, then you'll see the transportation expansion take place. Once again, it's all about money. In this case, getting PI packed on weeknights. LOL (It's dead there except on weekends.)
    Pleasure Island died about five-six years ago. It's hanging on because of a mix of drunk expense account conventioners, CMs looking for a pickup and/or get drunk and CW and AC club junkies. But ths shopping on both bookend sides does well daily, even though they have made it so tourist/character driven they've chased many locals away.

    But it is definitely a cheaper fix than what monorail/transport will take, that's for sure.

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