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[TDLFAN]

So true DCAer... so true.

Originally Posted by ti2gr

TDLFAN, you obvioulsly did not read past the first sentance of my post that you are quoting. Based on your many visits to Tokyo your critical comparisons to the Florida Magic Kingdom are probably correct. I know how you feel, I am a castmember and I agree with you. I work at Disney because I want to, I moved to Orlando for the sole purpose of working there regardless of the pay. I made more money in my previous jobs, but I work here because I want to, and I enjoy it.

I did enjoy it too when i was a CM at WDW, but I went the extra mile daily which is something I do not see of many of you now a days and is something that is the TDR hallmark of excellence. Many of you may enjoy working there, but at the end of the day, is how you affected someone's experience and how you made the guest's vacation extra special. When the current management fails to do that, there is not much you guys can do to recover, reason why CMs have it much harder now a days. Ans speaking of.. i want to see a return to basics in regards to CMs... no facial hair, proper Disney look attire, no reeboks, tennis shoes, good appearance, no stupid pin lanyards raping the costume's look. Managers wearing ties and business attires as opposed to the unprofessional casual polo look. etc etc...

[LLCMC]

Originally Posted by TDLFAN

So true DCAer... so true.


I did enjoy it too when i was a CM at WDW, but I went the extra mile daily which is something I do not see of many of you now a days and is something that is the TDR hallmark of excellence. Many of you may enjoy working there, but at the end of the day, is how you affected someone's experience and how you made the guest's vacation extra special. When the current management fails to do that, there is not much you guys can do to recover, reason why CMs have it much harder now a days. Ans speaking of.. i want to see a return to basics in regards to CMs... no facial hair, proper Disney look attire, no reeboks, tennis shoes, good appearance, no stupid pin lanyards raping the costume's look. Managers wearing ties and business attires as opposed to the unprofessional casual polo look. etc etc...

While I mostly agree with you, I think the pins are part of the very guest experience you are clamoring for. Sure it may not look exactly like something a HM CM might wear, but if the goal is guest satisfaction the number of ecstatic children I see trading pins with CMs outweighs a small violation of theme. There are much bigger theme-related fish to fry. Taking away pins would upset a lot of people.

[TDLFAN]

When you say "upset a lot of people", do you mean the million chinese factory workers who get paid a mere dollar for a full day's work at disney's request creating pins that are sold at 1000% more that what it cost to create??

[LLCMC]

Originally Posted by TDLFAN

When you say "upset a lot of people", do you mean the million chinese factory workers who get paid a mere dollar for a full day's work at disney's request creating pins that are sold at 1000% more that what it cost to create??

I wasn't aware this was a sweatshop debate. Of course I am against them, and for that reason I don't shop at Gap, among other places. I was talking merely about taking away pins for the sake of "costume" continuity. If anything Disney, or anyone, makes is produced at a sweatshop we certainly shouldn't support it. And if you have proof that is the case, and it is as much of an issue to you as your comment leads me to believe, I think you should stop supporting Disney altogether.

[BelieveInMagic]

Originally Posted by SummerInFL

Everyone has to remember that the people that complain the most are the ones that probably care the most. Does that mean that I always agree with what TDL has to say? No, in fact I disagree with a lot of it but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to have their own opinion.

Just remember if you are a person who looks at things in a more positive light that you'll have a better time than the person who views "the world" through critical eyes. Besides, if we didn't have people like TDL in this world then things would never improve.

I love WDW and I always touch on the positives when I go but I also see the negatives, I don't focus on them but that doesn't mean I don't notice they are there. Some people can do that and others can't but we should be respectful of everyone's opinion.

Unless of course you feel that Walt Disney's frozen body is buried under the castle, then you might be ridiculed.

I agree.

[TDLFAN]

Originally Posted by LLCMC

I wasn't aware this was a sweatshop debate. Of course I am against them, and for that reason I don't shop at Gap, among other places. I was talking merely about taking away pins for the sake of "costume" continuity. If anything Disney, or anyone, makes is produced at a sweatshop we certainly shouldn't support it. And if you have proof that is the case, and it is as much of an issue to you as your comment leads me to believe, I think you should stop supporting Disney altogether.

Well, that would be my decision and not yours, and when you and others make comments like that about me, makes me loose all respect for you. You know why? Because my rants about WDW and some aspects of the Disney operation are aimed to management because trust me... I want Disney to be the very best they can be in providing the very best entertainment possible. When you people shoot me down for my opinions, which for some bizarre reason many of you take personally, it defeats the purpose of making management awared that we know they are sleeping in their laurels, and your anti-TDLFAN position simply gives Disney further license to continue to slack off and cutting back your experience while prices go up. "Nothing to fix here, since they disagree with this rebel". Did you hear the parking fees just went up at WDW again?
You are from CA? well maybe you are not as familiar with WDW's standards as much which are lower than DLR's... so maybe that's one reason why you disagree with my point of view?
As for the pin production factories in China, that has been covered here many times. I am surprised you were not awared of that?

[Jspider]

Originally Posted by TDLFAN

Well, that would be my decision and not yours, and when you and others make comments like that about me, makes me loose all respect for you. You know why? Because my rants about WDW and some aspects of the Disney operation are aimed to management because trust me... I want Disney to be the very best they can be in providing the very best entertainment possible. When you people shoot me down for my opinions, which for some bizarre reason many of you take personally, it defeats the purpose of making management awared that we know they are sleeping in their laurels, and your anti-TDLFAN position simply gives Disney further license to continue to slack off and cutting back your experience while prices go up. "Nothing to fix here, since they disagree with this rebel". Did you hear the parking fees just went up at WDW again?
You are from CA? well maybe you are not as familiar with WDW's standards as much which are lower than DLR's... so maybe that's one reason why you disagree with my point of view?
As for the pin production factories in China, that has been covered here many times. I am surprised you were not awared of that?

If it helps, I've been instructed by members of Imagineering to complain more as well if only because it helps ward off budget cuts on their projects . In fact I know a few who get infuriated by how some of their projects have been maintained and whatnot.

I suppose its fair to say the Walmart mentality will always win in America though. (quantity trumps quality)

[danyoung]

Originally Posted by TDLFAN

Well, that would be my decision and not yours, and when you and others make comments like that about me, makes me loose all respect for you.

And there is is, just like always - that famous TDLFAN dismissal of someone who doesn't agree with him. Look, I have no problems with TDLFAN expressing his own opinions. I agree with him more often than he might think. But if you dare to disagree, well then he will lose respect for you - in other words, HE takes it into a personal battle, as he has with me. He told me about a year ago that he had set the Micechat software to ignore any posts from me, so I'm guessing he won't even see this. Pity, as I always enjoyed a good fight with a worthy opponent.

[LLCMC]

Originally Posted by TDLFAN

Well, that would be my decision and not yours, and when you and others make comments like that about me, makes me loose all respect for you. You know why? Because my rants about WDW and some aspects of the Disney operation are aimed to management because trust me... I want Disney to be the very best they can be in providing the very best entertainment possible. When you people shoot me down for my opinions, which for some bizarre reason many of you take personally, it defeats the purpose of making management awared that we know they are sleeping in their laurels, and your anti-TDLFAN position simply gives Disney further license to continue to slack off and cutting back your experience while prices go up. "Nothing to fix here, since they disagree with this rebel". Did you hear the parking fees just went up at WDW again?
You are from CA? well maybe you are not as familiar with WDW's standards as much which are lower than DLR's... so maybe that's one reason why you disagree with my point of view?
As for the pin production factories in China, that has been covered here many times. I am surprised you were not awared of that?

LMAO, dude you CRACK ME UP!! You are seriously hysterical! Hahaha!

If you actually READ my first comment I said "I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOU"! I only said I think CMs should be allowed to wear pins, and you make it into a heart attack-inducing argument!

HAHAHAHAHA, I'm seriously laughing out loud! You are too funny! Thanks for the good chuckle, it was a good way to start my morning!

[WDWLakelandFL]

Originally Posted by danyoung

And there is is, just like always - that famous TDLFAN dismissal of someone who doesn't agree with him. Look, I have no problems with TDLFAN expressing his own opinions. I agree with him more often than he might think. But if you dare to disagree, well then he will lose respect for you - in other words, HE takes it into a personal battle, as he has with me. He told me about a year ago that he had set the Micechat software to ignore any posts from me, so I'm guessing he won't even see this. Pity, as I always enjoyed a good fight with a worthy opponent.

Agree. And if you dare disagree, you're always labeled as a "redneck" because the only people who could ever possibly enjoy WDW are rednecks. When it comes to opinions or perspective on WDW, it's never a question of the glass being half-full or half-empty; his glass is always "bone-dry" (if there even is a "glass"!).

[disneyfann121]

Originally Posted by danyoung

And there is is, just like always - that famous TDLFAN dismissal of someone who doesn't agree with him. Look, I have no problems with TDLFAN expressing his own opinions. I agree with him more often than he might think. But if you dare to disagree, well then he will lose respect for you - in other words, HE takes it into a personal battle, as he has with me. He told me about a year ago that he had set the Micechat software to ignore any posts from me, so I'm guessing he won't even see this. Pity, as I always enjoyed a good fight with a worthy opponent.

Yeah, like when he wrote the following in the "What's wrong with the MK" thread:

Those crazy fanatics who somehow find a 10-day vacation to WDW something worth doing, will be rewarded by the current pricing structure.

Crazy fanatics...that's funny, because it's my understanding that MOST visitors to WDW stay for at least a week.

This might surprise him, but I usually have no problem with someone criticizing WDW, and pressuring management to do better. I have said before that the resort could and should be better, and there are glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed (the same goes for DLR, although maybe to a lesser extent).

However, I do have a problem when someone implies or outright states that you have to be ignorant or a fanatic to choose to go to WDW for any extended amount of time. You can get on management's case without insulting other Disney patrons. TDLfan and others are hurting their cause by alienating other fans. We actually agree that the resorts should be better; is it necessary to imply we are idiots if we still enjoy them anyway?

[TDLFAN]

If the shoe fits...

[disneyfann121]

Wow. Here he had a chance to redeem himself, and instead...well, I have nothing to add. The four words in the post above say it all.

[TDLFAN]

But at least i admit it, unlike you.

[Micoofy Duck]

Originally Posted by danyoung

And there is is, just like always - that famous TDLFAN dismissal of someone who doesn't agree with him. Look, I have no problems with TDLFAN expressing his own opinions. I agree with him more often than he might think. But if you dare to disagree, well then he will lose respect for you - in other words, HE takes it into a personal battle, as he has with me. He told me about a year ago that he had set the Micechat software to ignore any posts from me, so I'm guessing he won't even see this. Pity, as I always enjoyed a good fight with a worthy opponent.

I've ignored certain "people" without having to use the ignore button. For someone to go out of their way to actually use that feature and actually take the time to hit that button, well I just find it hilarious!

I had posted in this thread on the 1st page but my very classless post about his style of complaints was deleted... SUPRISE! SURPRISE!

I mean it makes no sense one can trash a theme park, management, CM's yet can't use their names YET can publicly trash management BY NAME... it just doesn't make sense around here. We can't go after each other yet we can go after people and parks that we THINK we know because we once worked there some years ago.

Hey, if you don't work there right now then all you can offer is a DATED opinion on what you THINK is going on... yeah I'm talking to a certain someone. If you are working within WDW management yourself or in a exec position and can fully understand what really is going on behind the scenes well then I'll, we'll, listen to you about "management". But if you're not part of that inner circle then really all you have are assumptions based on your own warped view of the parks.

But if you continue to talk and assume what's happening behind the scenes based on the little things you see around the parks from an OUTSIDE perspective well again I have no reason to believe you have the correct understanding of WDW's management team and behind the scenes workings.