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    Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    I think I've asked this about DL's version...(which still confuses me)

    But, is WDW'S version the same story?

    Let me see if I have this right (I'm sure I don't)

    Master Gracey owns the house. He married Constance...who had a long track record of giving her wealthy husbands tremendously severe haircuts. She offs Gracey. She turns into the old woman seen in the stretching room portrait.

    Is that right?

    And here's where the big confusion comes in...

    Who is Leota? Who is the Ghost Host? Who is the Hatbox Ghost?

    Do all the other many characters have a story?






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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Well don't take my word as authority on the subject, but I have always believed that, Gracey is the owner and he is the Ghost Host and he hung himself, which we see at the very end of the pre-show.

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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Leota is the channeler in the seance room.

    The Ghost Host is of course your narrator... if that is Master Gracey or not is debated.

    The Hat Box Ghost is just one of the resident ghosts..

    Hop into one of the HM threads here (there is always one long run running) and the HM fanatics will answer all the dirty details.

    Most of the HM story is hobbled together - it doesn't have one large cohesive story line, but rather several smaller ones that don't necessarily intersect.
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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    thanks FLynn. I don't think the WDW forum has a HM thread.....or is DL's story the same?




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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Stitchy View Post
    thanks FLynn. I don't think the WDW forum has a HM thread.....or is DL's story the same?
    Each has different elements... some in or not... but they don't differ in those story slices. Just some of the 'clues' or 'evidence' to support the theories aren't always in both HMs.
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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    oh okay. So...the bride with the beating heart....that's Constance, right?




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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Stitchy View Post
    oh okay. So...the bride with the beating heart....that's Constance, right?
    Typically she is not considered to be the same.

    You're never going to find any straight answers because there are none. There is no set story. The deepest it really goes is that the manor is a retirement home for ghosts. Master Gracey just comes from one of the tribute tombstones and is often considered a misreading of the title "Master".

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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    lazyboy970, flynnibus, and Stitchy are correct. There is NO STORYLINE to the Haunted Mansion. It's a retirement home for ghosts. That's it. As flynnibus said, some scenes have a backstory, but there is no story for the entire mansion that ties everything together. Stitchy hit the nail on the head with the bride... that's really the only "story" that WDI acknowledges exists. Anything else you hear is made up by the Cast. In fact, WDI will actually go to lengths to prove otherwise in rare circumstances. They have actually removed the bride's "ring" which was part of a made-up story by the Cast. And WDI has insisted that Master Gracey is NOT your Ghost Host... to the point that when a temporary closed sign was made for WDW's mansion, WDI had a fit when it was signed "Master Gracey- Your Ghost Host," They actually approved a budget to REMOVE the text. That proves beyond a doubt that they are two separate ghosts.
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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    ah...thank you, Bill.

    So, it seems...there is no real story..just the one made up by the public. And even that one...is cloudy, at best.




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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Stitchy View Post
    ah...thank you, Bill.

    So, it seems...there is no real story..just the one made up by the public. And even that one...is cloudy, at best.

    There is a "real" story and the story did have something to do with the ring that used to be in the ground near the Mansion. It also isn't all made up by the cast- Disney accepts the storyline and runs with it. For example, the recent 40th for Mansion event. Each Mansion around the globe has a clear and definite storyline with all being very similar.

    Here's a cool website to check out filled with "lore":

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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Sorry Scott, you've been misled. The only "Mansion" that has an actual storyline is Phantom Manor in Paris. Anything else you've heard regarding storyline, including all the stuff on Doombuggies.com, is indeed, made up. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble.

    The Mansion was originally created in a time where Disney did theming for the rides... not actual storylines. The age of story didn't come till later.

    You can believe whatever made-up story you come up with. That's part of the charm of the mansion, since there is no story, you can make up whatever story you want with your imagination! (As many CMs have done, and Doombuggies.com has run with.)
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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    I'm pretty sure Bill has got it right- there's no set storyline for the mansion.

    The 40th anniversary stuff at DL was set up by merchandising, and they seem to make stuff up as they go along.

    Since they added in Constance that has changed a bit. We know she's a black widow bride, she's had 5 husbands (who all resemble the men in stretching portraits, but this is probably just a homage) and she's decapitated them all. Her marriage certificates are only in the WDW mansion but all state California as the location of marriages. They were/will be going to tie in the Hat Box Ghost as the 6th husband, since hey, lots of people want him back, and he just happens to be decapitated too. The fact she has a deeper story makes her not quite fit in the mansion, in my opinion.

    As for Master Gracey, it seems WDI does not want him associated with the Ghost Host. Somewhere buried in the "Long Forgotten HM Effect" thread I'm pretty sure there is documentation of a letter posted outside the DL mansion explaining a closure or something. It was signed something to the effect of "Master Gracey, Your Ghost Host." Within a day or two, the all traces of the "Master Gracey" part was removed.

    To me the beauty of the mansion is that for the guest there is no definite story, yet there's the feeling of history throughout which truly sparks the imagination.

    *Bill, I just noticed you mentioned the Master Gracey -Ghost host sign, too. I somehow missed that. Sorry for inadvertently trying to steal your thunder *
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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    ok..so there IS a story with Phantom Manor? what is it?




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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    According to Tony Baxter. The Ghost Host is Master Gracey. In a video TB claims that in the WDW version, you see master Gracey's portrait, then you enter the stretching room and see him hanging at the top, then he becomes a poltergeist and narrates the rest of the ride.

    Watch the video where he says it below.

    DoomBuggies > Explore the history and marvel at the mystery of Disney's Haunted Mansion attractions!


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    Re: Confused about Haunted Mansion Story

    Phantom Manor lies in Frontierland and is intrinsically linked to Big Thunder Mountain, which itself is a part of Thunder Mesa.
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    Thunder Mesa

    According to legend, there was gold in that thar mountain, [Big Thunder Mountain] and industrial baron Henry Ravenswood struck it rich, and a boom town sprung up around his mining operation, creating the dusty streets and sunbaked wooden buildings of Frontierland in the process. The story's craggy mountain range and the labyrinthine gold mine within set the stage for the runaway trains of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad; and, as fate would have it, Henry Ravenswood would also provide a home for Phantom Manor ... literally.

    The Legend of Phantom Manor

    Flush with his earnings from the mine at the height of the Gold Rush, Henry Ravenswood built a stately Victorian manor high atop a hill overlooking the town of Thunder Mesa and the mine that built it. Nothing was too good for his wife, Martha, and their young daughter, Melanie. But the gold eventually ran out, and Henry Ravenswood's luck along with it. Then a great earthquake struck Thunder Mesa in 1860, during preparations for Melanie Ravenswood's Wedding.

    Henry and Martha perished in the quake, and their daughter was never seen again . . . or was she? Their once magnificent home fell into a state of disrepair and neglect. Eerie shadows could sometimes be seen through the dingy windows and strange sounds came from within, leading locals to dub the old house the "Phantom Manor." But what really happened the day of the earthquake? Was Melanie Ravenswood alive or dead? And what happened to her groom? The Manor's true story was revealed long after the deaths of Henry and Martha Ravenswood and the disappearance of their daughter. Melanie's fiancé had planned to move her far from Thunder Mesa . . . and her father. Henry Ravenswood disapproved and vowed to stop the wedding at all costs, but that fateful earthquake prevented him from doing so . . . or did it? Locals believe that the mysterious Phantom is Henry Ravenswood himself, who murdered his daughter's intended form beyond the grave to keep her from marrying against his wishes. Melanie survived but never left the house, wandering through the Manor in her bridal gown until her dying day and beyond. Henry Ravenswood never left, either --dead seat on keeping his daughter in Thunder Mesa forever. Melanie's intended still hangs around as well -- in the stretching chamber, by a rope around his neck, that is.

    Now the domestic staff had finally opened up the house to tell their story and allow visitors to try to unlock the secrets of the Manor for themselves. Guests quickly discover that the Phantom and the Bride-never-to-be are engaged in an eternal struggle for Ravenswood Manor and the souls of everyone who dares enter. The Phantom and his army of ghosts, ghouls, and goblins make every attempt to lure unsuspecting visitors to the other side, while the Bride struggles to help her mortal friends live to tell the secret of Phantom Manor
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