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    High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Governor Scott has rejected the federal money, so there will be no high speed rail in Florida from Orlando to Tampa.

    Would you have taken that train rather than renting a car? Would it have made you more likely to visit Tampa (Busch Gardens?)

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    What a shame, California will take the money.

    Wisconsin and Ohio pulled the same thing and the money was redistributed here.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    This is good news. The federal government should not exist to subsidize tourist travel in Florida. Those standing to benefit most from the rail are the land-owning state legislators, who have been fighting for years over various types of rail that would boost their own property value. As for the rest of us Floridians, we like our cars, if not for being able to listen to the radio, eat fast food, and smoke while we travel, then simply because we can have air-conditioning as we go from place to place rather than walk as pedestrians from the train station to our destinations (see Miami as an example of failed rail transit in Florida, used mostly by the students at UM). Anyone who has tried Mears knows that taxis are not a viable option.
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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    America is Carsland. ...sad really.
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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by TimmyTimmyTimmy View Post
    America is Carsland. ...sad really.
    Take a look at what we're doing in California, it might surprise you:
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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinYee View Post
    Governor Scott has rejected the federal money, so there will be no high speed rail in Florida from Orlando to Tampa.

    Would you have taken that train rather than renting a car? .
    Absolutely, I don't want to worry about a rental car when I'm on vacation, where to park, do we need gas, it gets 100 degrees sitting in the sun all day. Versus a bullet train? I've always wanted to see Miami, but it's not exactly next to Orlando, if they made that connection, the whole idea of a Florida vacation split between Miami and Orlando just got more appealing.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinYee View Post
    Would it have made you more likely to visit Tampa (Busch Gardens?)
    I've been to Tampa, I've been to Busch Gardens. But I'd use it to go to the white sand Gulf Coast beaches. Are they still pristine or did the BP Horizon destroy the whole Gulf Coast?

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    What a shame, California will take the money.
    It is not a shame, it is the best thing to happen to high speed rail in this country. The Tampa-Orlando route has very little existing demand and expensive high speed technology would have offered almost no gains over the highway or a conventional rail line. An expensive to build and operate train with no riders is not going win people over to the idea of high speed rail.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I've been to Tampa, I've been to Busch Gardens. But I'd use it to go to the white sand Gulf Coast beaches.
    With no transit system existing or planned for Tampa, you would have found yourself stuck at the of the line faced with either a cab ride or renting a car.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Yeah we rented a car and did things the "American Way" and did a road trip.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I'd use it to go to the white sand Gulf Coast beaches. Are they still pristine or did the BP Horizon destroy the whole Gulf Coast?
    As far as beaches go, I'm pretty sure only the panhandle was affected by the oil spill. Those of us here on the west coast beaches only had to deal with lost business from travelers who were afraid it would come here. We still have beautiful beaches ready to welcome you though.




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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    That's what I thought. That's why maybe this would have been good for the Gulf Coast - bring the tourists back.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    That's what I thought. That's why maybe this would have been good for the Gulf Coast - bring the tourists back.
    But this would mean waiting several years, and then convincing tourists to pay more for the novelty of riding a high speed train.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    I see your point about focusing on the Northeast and California corridors, but eventually Tampa-Orlando-Miami would be a great high speed corridor, too.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I see your point about focusing on the Northeast and California corridors, but eventually Tampa-Orlando-Miami would be a great high speed corridor, too.
    Orlando-Miami maybe, but not the proposed Tampa-Orlando. First, there is no demand there. There are no flights between the cities and they are too close, especially when Lakeland is included. The longest stretches of track would be around 30 mi - 40 mi. The two points are just too close to get a train up to speed to justify all of the costs associated with making it high speed capable. Throw in the current unwillingness to build out existing locals systems, especially in Tampa, and you really do have a train to nowhere that serves nobody.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Eventually I'd like to see it go from Miami-Orlando-Atlanta-Charlotte-Richmond-DC-New York-Boston.

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    Re: High Speed Rail cancelled in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Eventually I'd like to see it go from Miami-Orlando-Atlanta-Charlotte-Richmond-DC-New York-Boston.
    I would LOVE that, so long as prices were reasonable. Amtrak in and out of Atlanta is just cost prohibitive.

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