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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Quote Originally Posted by quizkid8279 View Post
    I wouldn't bet against James Cameron.

    15 years ago, "Titanic" was pushed to a December release date when Cameron couldn't deliver it for its original summer bow, and the press went wild: "Cameron is making the most expensive movie in history with two stars the American public has never heard of, and everyone knows how it ends. Who would go see that?" (The answer: Everyone.)

    Similar worries plagued "Avatar" before its release, and we all know how that turned out.

    Cameron is a very smart man, despite what you may think of his chops as a filmmaker -- surely he knows that he has to top himself with "Avatar 2," in more ways than one. He took the reins of "Alien" from Ridley Scott and delivered a very different, much broader film that upped the stakes; he also wrote a platoon full of colorful, memorable characters. "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" was a revolutionary visual effects showcase, and it also turned the original's villain into the hero, and introduced a new villain that became a filmic icon in its own right.

    There is little reason to think that "Avatar 2" will simply retread the original. Cameron never does anything small, and mounting two sequels to the biggest movie of all time -- and designing theme park attractions based on those movies -- certainly isn't a small task. I realize many MiceChat frequenters have lost faith in WDI, but the thought of Imagineers working with someone who has the drive and technical ingenuity of a James Cameron is very exciting indeed. Even if the "Avatar" attractions aren't your cup of tea, the new techniques and equipment that will be invented for those attractions will have a ripple effect throughout WDI for years to come.

    I can't wait to ride these attractions, whatever they are.

    Well said. As a betting man, I would not bet against James Cameron.
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Here we go again. Look at Cameron's record with sequels:

    Terminator 1 vs Terminator 2 - widely agreed to take the great effects and thrills of the original, and add to it a compelling and much better and more involved story (improving on the original's rather simple and one-dimensional story)

    Alien vs Aliens - widely agreed to take everything about the first one and completely expand upon every aspect of it, from the story and the effects to the characters and horror.

    I think he knows what he's doing when it comes to sequels - PLEASE NOTE that this does not in any way represent me saying that that success will in any way translate to Animal Kingdom - I've seen too much of what happens when people say that on this board - but I do believe that the man has a vague idea of how to make a blockbuster.
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    So... seven years after the original, the sequel is going to generate as much excitement as the first film? The public is going to thrill to a fresh, compelling story on a never-before-seen planet, populated with new and memorable characters, executed in motion capture animation that is as far beyond anything else in 2016 as the original was in 2009? And to Disney's delight, the sequel will generate the merchandise that the original didn't?

    Don't think so.
    Food for thought: prior to Avatar 2, James Cameron has only made a single sequel to one of his own films. That sequel was Terminator 2. Terminator 2 was released seven years after the original, made more money, and sold more merchandise.
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Guys, Carsland was announced in 2007. It's fine.


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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

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    Guys, Carsland was announced in 2007. It's fine.
    And I'd have to say, the general panning that Cars 2 received doesn't seem to have put a damper on Carsland. As long as WDI puts as much care thematically into AvatarLand as they did the rest of AK (even the hideously out of place Chester and Hester's actually has a great deal of care in the theaming), I will be happy to see it.

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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Guys, Carsland was announced in 2007. It's fine.
    Well it could work considering Cars 1 and 2 weren't considered Pixar's greatest work.

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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Guys, Carsland was announced in 2007. It's fine.
    And it is not a guaranteed success. Because I have no idea if it will create the 30 - 40% bump in attendance they are hoping it will.
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Quote Originally Posted by KingEric View Post
    And it is not a guaranteed success. Because I have no idea if it will create the 30 - 40% bump in attendance they are hoping it will.

    I believe the whole project is suppose to account for the attendance bump not just cars land. With how popular WoC, the little mermaid, and the other projects already are cars land should easily raise attendance to a 40% bump from 5 years ago.
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco21 View Post
    I believe the whole project is suppose to account for the attendance bump not just cars land. With how popular WoC, the little mermaid, and the other projects already are cars land should easily raise attendance to a 40% bump from 5 years ago.
    DCA Attendance 2006: 5.95 million
    DCA Attendance 2010: 6.28 million
    DCA 4 year Differ: 0.33 million
    Growth: 5.5%

    So once 2011 numbers come out it will be interesting to see the growth year over year, and from before the announcement and now that most of the projects are complete, and of course once it is completed.
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    ^^Oh wow! I did not have the exact numbers. Thanks for that. 5.5% is not near as much as I thought it had gone up. Really interesting that they really think it will go up 40% based on those numbers. Thanks!
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    Re: Avatar 2 won't be out until 2016, at least. So.........

    It would benefit Disney to open Avatarland early with one major attraction. The land will get a lot of traction when the sequel opens. Then followup with another major attraction a year after the movie opens that features the new movie. Disney can easily get 5 years of gradually increasing attendance from this land alone.

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