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    DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    In a recent article on Orlando Passholder called "Disney's Backlot Blunder" (http://micechat.com/blogs/orlando-pa...do-update.html), there was this message that I found:

    [T]hough Universal Studios Florida was originally billed as an authentic production facility with full-sized replicas of New York streets, they have long since abandoned the conceit of selling the park as anything but movie-themed fun. It is with this adjustment of intent, for example, that the 2008 update of “Earthquake” to “Disaster!” at Universal Orlando created some cheesy good fun out of an otherwise outdated attraction. So why hasn’t Disney also dropped the “working studio” fiction from the Backlot Tour and readjusted its intent to be that of movie-themed fun?

    My question based on this is this, how could Universal go from "working studio" to "movie-themed fun"? And how can that be applied to Disney's Hollywood Studios?
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Doesn't the Magic Kingdom provide the movie themed fun?

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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1971 View Post
    Doesn't the Magic Kingdom provide the movie themed fun?
    Well, yes, but what of the Studios?
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    1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
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    3. Splash Mountain
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Universl made some bold moves, when they closed the "movie magic" attractions

    Examples:
    Alfred Hitchcock presents (replace with Shrek 4-D)
    Kong (replaced by the mummy)
    Earth Quake (replaced by the campy movie fun Disaster)

    All the attractions that replaced them were movie themed, but either put you directly into a movie's story line or took the whole "movie magic" theme and turned it into a comedy (like Disaster)

    While I love Universal Studios Orlando, and I love the attractions that they have, their story lines are more about putting you right into the action where at DHS I honestly have no idea what really anything is anymore.

    Example of this:
    Fear Factor LIVE knows it is a theme park show, and just has fun being a competition between theme park guests with people cheering them on.

    Lights Actions Motors tries to pretend that they are filming a real movie that leaves the audience lacking.
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by KingEric View Post
    Universl made some bold moves, when they closed the "movie magic" attractions

    Examples:
    Alfred Hitchcock presents (replace with Shrek 4-D)
    Kong (replaced by the mummy)
    Earth Quake (replaced by the campy movie fun Disaster)
    What do Hitchcock, Kong and Earthquake have in common?

    For that matter, why is the park still called "Universal Studios Florida" if they are abandoning the studio pretense?
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
    What do Hitchcock, Kong and Earthquake have in common?

    For that matter, why is the park still called "Universal Studios Florida" if they are abandoning the studio pretense?

    Hitchcock was all about special effects and filmmaking

    Kong ended with a "and thats a wrap" like you had just been filmed

    and Earthquake ended the same way

    Universal Studios is the name of the company, and the brand, not a reflection of the intent of the park.

    Back in 1998 Universal tried to rebrand the resort to "Universal Escape" which ended up with massive confusion and had to be undone.
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by KingEric View Post
    Hitchcock was all about special effects and filmmaking

    Kong ended with a "and thats a wrap" like you had just been filmed

    and Earthquake ended the same way
    And what is Shrek about, if not special effects? And how did The Mummy and Disaster end? The attractions, that is?
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    2. Pirates of the Caribbean
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
    And what is Shrek about, if not special effects? And how did The Mummy and Disaster end? The attractions, that is?
    Shrek contains special effects, that doesn't mean that's what the show is about.

    the mummy ends with Brendan Fraiser welcoming you back from inside the movie and congratulating you on your escape from the mummy, only to find out he did not yet escape himself.

    disaster again is a spoof of being inside the movie and doesn't apply here.

    *sigh* i cant talk about UO without being nostalgic about Jaws still

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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by goofy donald View Post
    the mummy ends with Brendan Fraiser welcoming you back from inside the movie and congratulating you on your escape from the mummy, only to find out he did not yet escape himself.

    disaster again is a spoof of being inside the movie and doesn't apply here.
    Isn't being inside the movie kind of the same as them acting as though they're working on the movie?
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
    Isn't being inside the movie kind of the same as them acting as though they're working on the movie?
    no, you have just explained two different concepts

    for example entering Amityville ans seeing jaws or entering the set of Amityville and seeing a mechanical shark that was used to represent the character jaws are two different things, get the difference?

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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    It seems there have been quite a few threads on this very subject recently.

    I still think personally that DHS needs to transition completely to a historical and fantastically-based park rather than trying to cling onto the idea of a 'working studio'. It's confusing, it's disjointed, and it's ineffective as it currently stands.

    I'm afraid I cannot comment on the Universal Studios Park in Florida, as I've only been to IoA there. And that park was always a 'land' based 'fantasy' park.
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    While Magic Kingdom is movie themed fun (it's essentially various genres of film), there's more fun to be had in lands not represented in Magic Kingdom. Sometimes lands may seem similar, but they can more different if they allowed it to be.

    Tomorrowland is more science fiction than science fact and in the case of Magic Kingdom, it's more cartoon fiction taking place in space or other worlds.

    Future World kind of taken the mantle as a more science fact land.

    So if DHS was going to tackle a land to surround Star Tours with, this could be a very different type of land entirely and would give even more reason to attract guests to Star wars Weekends every year.


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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    The way I see it, it doesn't matter what DHS does...even if it tries to move away from the 'working studio' concept, it will serve as a place for WDI to put new rides that don't thematically fit anywhere else. I mean the best rides there (ToT, RnR, ST, TSMM) don't ever try to connive the guests they're getting filmed or going behind the scenes...Universal just does these types of adventure rides better, and that's why they're more successful (not because they've moved away from the production facility theme). Unless DHS does more with Star Wars or begins unveiling some seriously innovative rides (which Universal dominates in this field as well unfortunately for Disney) then no matter what the theme it'll be an inferior studio park.

    As of right now, I like DHS because it has some great restaurants and an interesting environment, as well as some of Disney World's best E-tickets. But it really is just a jumble, and even though i enjoy it for what it is, it will always be sort of a mess and wont be matching Universal in terms of quality 'studio' theming anytime soon. Disney copies a lot of ideas from other theme parks (more than most people see, to realize) and in DHS' case they copied Universal...and they turned out an inferior product. They should stick to what they're good at

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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    Disney copies a lot of ideas from other theme parks (more than most people see, to realize) and in DHS' case they copied Universal...and they turned out an inferior product. They should stick to what they're good at
    Actually, DHS opened before USO did, by one year.
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    Re: DHS: Working studio fiction vs. movie-themed fun

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    I mean the best rides there (ToT, RnR, ST, TSMM) don't ever try to connive the guests they're getting filmed or going behind the scenes...
    that's actually not true to a certain extent. ToT is the only ride from the "starting era" of the park that did not include a behind the scenes / filming reference. TSMM is the newest attraction along with a new wave of thinking that's slowly moving away from the working studio mindset that TDO originally attempted. star tours prior to entering the building had stage references and hot set signs directly after the ewoks at the entrance (this was removed after the latest refurb), while rockin rollercoaster's entire story is about being backstage at aerosmiths recording studio and then going to see their concert. i agree its sloppy, but its a park in transition right now, things are going to be continue to be sloppy until they ultimately switch everything over too the new direction. also universal left the working studio theme behind longggg ago and they faced quite the jumbled mess for a long while (and still do to a certain degree today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
    Actually, DHS opened before USO did, by one year.
    i believe the actual copying he is referring to is of the universal studios California park which was open prior to the Floridian version. when Eisner heard they were expanding to Florida he acted and did open Disney's park first but he did in fact copy a lot of the concept from that of the original Universal studios theme park out west.

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