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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    I felt the character additions work in some places like how we've had Don Quixote since the beginning. That say, seeing Pinocchio in Italy or Alice and Pan in England are extensions of some idea of the countries of the world within Small World being accompanied by their stories. Figures like the Toy Story guys in America not so much.

    Screens with custom characters on the other hand are just damn obtrusive and far more distracting to the message of the ride then Disneyland's character additions.
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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by FigmentJedi View Post
    I felt the character additions work in some places like how we've had Don Quixote since the beginning. That say, seeing Pinocchio in Italy or Alice and Pan in England are extensions of some idea of the countries of the world within Small World being accompanied by their stories. Figures like the Toy Story guys in America not so much.
    Screens with custom characters on the other hand are just damn obtrusive and far more distracting to the message of the ride then Disneyland's character additions.
    I was a very passionate supporter of the "Save the Rain Forest" campaign a few years back, since then my view on some of the characters has softened somewhat, at least the Fairy Tale based ones, 3 Cabs, Nemo, Dory, Lilo & Stitch, and of course that awful America Scene stand out like sore thumbs. What was really important with that campaign though it (mostly) failed was that we actually had Mary Blair's family supporting us (and of course Marty Sklar's concocted response letter of half-truths) I hope to hear their feedback on this as well.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    Like the character additions, what this shows is that WDI no longer understands the ride itself. What is Small World? How does it function as a work of art (which is certainly is)? It is a counterbalance to all the rides revolving around stories and characters that celebrate the individual who triumphs over adversity and becomes who they really are (Dumbo, Peter Pan, Pinocchio, etc.). Their message is, "We're all different, and each of us needs to find ourselves and be our true selves."

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    gives us the necessary other side of the coin. It says, "On the other hand, we're all alike. No one is unique. Your experiences are such as are common to all mankind." That's why there are not supposed to be "characters" of any kind in the ride, only generic children from all lands.

    This latest NextGen celebration of hyperindividuality ("Construct a unique 'small world' doll that looks just like you!!!!!") is utterly and absolutely at variance with the point of the ride. It goes against the very reason the ride exists as an artwork.

    And look at the HM queue. Another example.

    WDI no longer has people in charge that understand their own rides. What a travesty.
    This is entirely true. And very depressing. It's maddening and heartbreaking that nerds on message boards understand and care about WDI's institutional history more than WDI does. Who the eff works there anymore?
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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    As weird as this sounds I think if they went away from the tv screens idea and went to a projection effect similar to Constance, which uses a projection effect on a white body shaped cast it might actually be cool. If they went that route, and made it as if the child's character was experiencing a travel across the world experiencing the different cultures and slowly gaining a little from each country it could actually be really cool and not infringe on the overall meaning of the ride. What really has me alarmed is how they will have more than 1 unique experience per car.(multiple at the same time from each boat... How's that going to work?) I have no problem with trying to increase guest interaction with rides/ queues Disneylands Indiana Jones queue is a perfect example of how it can be incorporated in a way that enhances the theme. Haunted Mansion is the exact opposite of how it should be an I'm afraid that Small World will fall into the same category as mansion.
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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by PSUMark View Post
    This is entirely true. And very depressing. It's maddening and heartbreaking that nerds on message boards understand and care about WDI's institutional history more than WDI does. Who the eff works there anymore?
    The people on top tend to be people who could not care less about the integrity of the attractions .
    Those several layers below them tend to be geeks like us who are forced into submission by those at the top and they have to do what upper management tells them despite objections they may have,The current Haunted Mansion Queue reeks of this since you can tell that they were trying to make up for a fundamentally wrong addition to the attraction by adding over-the top cryptic tributes and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco21 View Post
    As weird as this sounds I think if they went away from the tv screens idea and went to a projection effect similar to Constance, which uses a projection effect on a white body shaped cast it might actually be cool. If they went that route, and made it as if the child's character was experiencing a travel across the world experiencing the different cultures and slowly gaining a little from each country it could actually be really cool and not infringe on the overall meaning of the ride. What really has me alarmed is how they will have more than 1 unique experience per car.(multiple at the same time from each boat... How's that going to work?) I have no problem with trying to increase guest interaction with rides/ queues Disneylands Indiana Jones queue is a perfect example of how it can be incorporated in a way that enhances the theme. Haunted Mansion is the exact opposite of how it should be an I'm afraid that Small World will fall into the same category as mansion.
    Leota effects would not work in Small World at all too aesthetically different.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    if this is only contained to the queue i will be totally fine with it. however i agree it would be a mistake to put screens in the ride with an essentially mandatory process prior to the ride required for maximum enjoyment. there are some rides that you just have to keep in their natural state and refurbish as opposed to trying to shove something in them to add to their "experience".

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    God forbid they give people something to do while the wait in line...

    I cannot understand why people get angry about these types of things.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdin6592 View Post
    God forbid they give people something to do while the wait in line...

    I cannot understand why people get angry about these types of things.
    its not the line people are concerned with though i believe. its the fact that they may install video screens inside of the actual attraction and i agree that should not be done.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdin6592 View Post
    God forbid they give people something to do while the wait in line...

    I cannot understand why people get angry about these types of things.
    It is easy to understand if you listen to the objections. Most are objecting to the intrusion INSIDE the ride and that the theme of the ride has been fundamentally changed. You can dismiss their opinions but that is insensitive. It is great that the changes don't bother you.

    Rather than have screens throughout the ride (although a reverse personalized "Where's Waldo" figure picking up a cultural accessory from each scene would be cool.) they could have a group of "Little Leota" dolls dressed up in the designed garb at the end of the ride. They could even Thank the visitors ala E.T.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdin6592 View Post
    God forbid they give people something to do while the wait in line...

    I cannot understand why people get angry about these types of things.
    Even if this proposal was just limited to the queue, it is still a poor choice. "it's a small world" has this large, open entry area. The attraction also has one of the largest hourly capacities of any Disney attraction ever built. The attraction defines a "people eater". Entertaining people in a quick moving line only serves to slow it down. What is the attraction, the ride or the line?

    I think Peter Pan's Flight across the walkway is a much better candidate for an interactive queue.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    I just don't see what the issue is. I ride It's A Small World once a trip for entirely nostalgic reasons. I don't understand what the big deal is about an interactive queue. However, I too, will be disappointed if they tinker with the ride's interior.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

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    Leota effects would not work in Small World at all too aesthetically different.
    Just because you can't invision it - doesn't mean other actually creative types can't. A projection can be as realistic or as basic as you want it be in detail and movement.

    I swear some people act like they're just going to put a 37" vizio TV out in the middle of a island and play clips on it.
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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdin6592 View Post
    God forbid they give people something to do while the wait in line...

    I cannot understand why people get angry about these types of things.
    We get angry because NutGen is being shoehorned where it doesn't belong. Why does Small World need the same techie gimmick that Test Track is getting? It further homogenizes an already increasingly bland experience.

    We get angry because, as they waste money whoring up attractions, those same attractions are physically falling apart. But hey, why worry about horrible paint jobs, exposed electrical conduit and broken animatronics when there's a shiny new TV screen to look at.

    We get angry because, in the midst of this obession with NutGen, park and especially queue operations are inexplicably less efficient than they used to be. Wait times for Small World are noticably longer since they reversed the queue. Plus you get to spend your time looking at the dirty backside of the queue clock. Or the dirty back hallway at Space Mountain. If it worked fine for 40 years, why mess with it now? It's either total incompetence-- or perhaps they want the queues to be miserable right now. Can't sell the public a solution if there's no crisis.

    We get angry because we know why NutGen is being introduced. And it's not about enhancing the guest experience.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    That doesn't mean you have to spoil the fun for everyone else who does want to take part.

    If voicing our opinions on keeping the integrity of classic, artful attractions would actually ruin your vacation, then you need to seek out immediate mental health care.

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    God forbid they give people something to do while the wait in line...

    God forbid guests use thier brain capacity to LOOK AT and APPRECIATE ...ummm... I don't know....THE GIANT TOY CLOCK that's in the center of the room!?? Or the world icons along the facade wall and enjoy the different music loops of the theme song? Cause you know....how did we EVER breathe oxygen from 1955-2009 without screens and games in queues.

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    Re: Another NextGen disaster in the making.

    is't john lasseter of PIXAR still have some kinda say or anything at WDI?

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