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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Cinderella Castle really did set the bar for park icons, didn't it? I think, "Bigger!" was the watchword at WDW from the start, as the people in charge were really invested in creating the park they felt Walt would have if he'd had enough land and money. The Asian parks started small (with the Tokyo and Hong Kong castles being clones of Orlando and Anaheim), and the DLP castle probably suffers in comparison to all the real castles in the area.

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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    While I can't argue that Cinderella Castle, the Tree of Life, and Spaceship Earth are great icons, I really don't think the Sorcerer's Hat is a great symbol. Why does that represent Hollywood Studios? Because of Fantasia? Hardly the same league as the others. The Earful Tower did a great job of representing the park, but it's really lackluster in my opinion. The Chinese Theatre is an icon for something else, so I'm really not a fan of it being "the" definitive representation of DHS.

    I also think you undersell the California icons. Disneyland Castle is the original, making it quite important to a Disney Parks fan. Carthay Circle Theatre doesn't represent California as a whole now as much as it does represent what California was. DCA is becoming more and more a blast from the past with Buena Vista Street, the Victorian-style Paradise Pier, and even with the style of Hollywoodland. CCT does a great job of representing that time period because that was entertainment then--that summed up lifestyles for so many people across the board. Not to mention the incredible relation to Walt Disney's career.

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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1971 View Post
    I mean Cinderella Castle, Spaceship Earth, the Chinese Theater and the Earful Tower, and the Tree of Life all relate to the theme of the park, are large, awe-inspiring pieces of architecture that give the park it's definitive style.
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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by PSUMark View Post
    Fixed it for you.
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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1971 View Post
    I really think for DCA they should have made the icon Grizzly Peak and made it the focal point from the hub.
    It was at one point (see images below), but I don't think they really represent California any better than Carthay Circle. Okay, I get it, it's a bear and on our flag is a bear. It's a cool-looking mountain and it has a great ride associated with it, but it really only presents the natural and doesn't really have a strong connection to Disney, which is where the park is headed. California has, in my eyes, become the supporting role and thread for the Disney-fication that's been happening since "DCA 1.0." Besides, like you said, Disney makes plenty of mountains.

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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Im sorry, but i love the "HAT" !! Maybe they might find something else to replace it someday, but i think its a good representation of the Disney animated movies. Maybe if they made it bigger !!................

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrhino54 View Post
    Im sorry, but i love the "HAT" !! Maybe they might find something else to replace it someday, but i think its a good representation of the Disney animated movies. Maybe if they made it bigger !!................
    I do too haha.
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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Cinderella castle set the bar high. It's big because Walt wanted a bigger castle, but also so that it could be seen from far away so that people arriving by car wouldn't start wondering if they got off the wrong exit after driving by a whole lot of nothing on the long drive across the entire length of the property. It was also a trick to make people drive all the way through EPCOT and see how awesome living there was.

    It's weird that people don't like the hat. I don't like it. It's a big weird out of place thing at the end of a well themed 30's street. Why is this unacceptable but a medieval castle at the end of a turn of the 20th century street is artistic brilliance? It could be the existence of the hub which sort of exists outside of any specific theme; a feature that the area surrounding the hat doesn't have. It could also be that the castle is the gateway to Fantasyland while the hat isn't a gateway to anything. The area around and behind the hat is still Hollywood's golden age making it even more out of place. It's also the only park icon that can't be seen from the roof of the Contemporary. The Tree of Life is pretty well camouflaged, but you can pick it out if you know what you're looking for.

    Spaceship Earth is awesome because it's huge and there's nothing like it anywhere. It's uniqueness and location make it iconic. It is at the front of the park instead of the middle like all the others and can be seen from pretty much anywhere within the park. It, more than any of the others ties its entire park together. Now if they'd just do something about those darn flying triangles.

    The Tree of Life doesn't do much for me. Like the mountain at Tokyo Disney Sea, the Tree of Life isn't really unique because it's a tree. Though it is a very large and unique tree. It's also not as omnipresent as Spaceship Earth. Like Cinderella castle The Tree of Life can only be seen from certain places within the park. However being a big tree in a park full of trees, I don't think it stands out as much as it should. Or maybe I'm just a big jerk. I don't know, I've only been to the Animal Kingdom twice.

    I think Walt Disney World has these big clearly defined icons because they want to reassure all the tourists driving around that huge property on unfamiliar roads that they are going to the right place, whatever their destination happens to be.
    It bothers me when people selectively edit quotes to support whatever point they are trying to prove.

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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Here is a question to you: Why are you always comparing WDW to DLR(and other parks) and making it sound like WDW is 100 Times superior to the other parks?
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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus View Post
    Here is a question to you: Why are you always comparing WDW to DLR(and other parks) and making it sound like WDW is 100 Times superior to the other parks?
    Wow. Everyone's allowed to have an opinion here dude...

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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    Wow. Everyone's allowed to have an opinion here dude...
    I suppose this is my opinion as well? I'm just pointing it out, not trying to be mean or anything
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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus View Post
    Here is a question to you: Why are you always comparing WDW to DLR(and other parks) and making it sound like WDW is 100 Times superior to the other parks?
    but I am not intending to say that WDW is better than DLR or DLR is better than WDW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    Wow. Everyone's allowed to have an opinion here dude...
    Thanks dude, you are now like one of my favorite micechatters haha
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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    I Love the WDW icons. I wish that Disneyland had much better icons as well. What I really do not like is the non-existent castle that is used for the Disney Parks logo, and the term "Disney Parks" is a pet peeve of mine.

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    Re: Why does WDW have the best icons?

    Quote Originally Posted by redrhino54 View Post
    Im sorry, but i love the "HAT" !! Maybe they might find something else to replace it someday, but i think its a good representation of the Disney animated movies. Maybe if they made it bigger !!................
    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1971 View Post
    I do too haha. I think the reason people abhor it is because of what is behind it. I think they cannot stand to see such a beautiful building covered up by the "hat." If it were built there since opening I don't think as many people would have a problem with it.

    The Sorcerer's Hat gives allows for a unique centerpiece that cannot be found anywhere else in the world. Sorcerer Mickey is often used to represent various parts of the Walt Disney Company. Fantasia is an animated master piece which features great music and compelling stories, so I think it fits as the icon.

    But back on topic, who thought that a large hat could be an icon for a park? It is cool to look at and really defines the park.
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    It's weird that people don't like the hat. I don't like it. It's a big weird out of place thing at the end of a well themed 30's street. Why is this unacceptable but a medieval castle at the end of a turn of the 20th century street is artistic brilliance? It could be the existence of the hub which sort of exists outside of any specific theme; a feature that the area surrounding the hat doesn't have. It could also be that the castle is the gateway to Fantasyland while the hat isn't a gateway to anything. The area around and behind the hat is still Hollywood's golden age making it even more out of place.
    I think that most people, including myself (and more than a few Imagineers) hate the hat because it represents the greatest of all possible Imagineering faux pas: a visual contradiction. As defined by Imagineer John Hench, a visual contradiction is, "the active clutter that you see in the real world, which creates mixed messages, sets up conflicts, creates tension, and may even feeling threatening... If visual details disagree, guests experience active clutter, which has the same effect on the eye as a cacophony of noises has on the ear."

    Dapper Dan is right to point out that the Castle is a potential visual contradiction, yet the Castle is not directly adjacent to Main Street, U.S.A - it's adjacent to the Hub, which at WDW's MK, at least, acts as a sort of gateway, neutral-themed zone. The hat, conversely, is not just adjacent to but inside Hollywood Blvd as evidenced by the Chinese Theater behind it and the Brown Derby to its right. As Dapper Dan pointed out, the Hat is surrounded on at least three sides by "the golden age of Hollywood" which makes it the visual equivalent of a fire siren in the midst of an orchestra concert. It simply does not belong.

    And the above doesn't even begin to address the hat's aesthetic value or thematic value as a symbol of the park. If DHS existed to celebrate Disney animated films, then the Sorcerer's Hat could be an appropriate icon. But DHS exists to celebrate "the Hollywood that never was and always will be." The Sorcerer's Hat is woefully inadequate in this regard, as it symbolizes only a particular medium of film from a particular production company. The earful tower - emblematic of the signature water towers that existed at most major studios during the golden age of Hollywood, or the Chinese Theater - one of the great Hollywood movie houses from its golden age that served (and still serves) as a gateway to the immersive film experience are much more complete and appropriate icons thematically.

    Finally, the hat is just garish and ugly.

    Most of WDI wants it gone, and I hope they have their way sooner rather than later.
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