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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    There are multiple problems inherent with switiching to digital. One, is for a screen of that size a 70mm film print is going to provide significantly more resolution and clarity than a digital presentation would. Another issue, as has been pointed out by other posters, is that a digital projection system would require a completely different set up with multiple projection sources arranged around the dome.

    There's really not an ideal solution here. They could make a brand new set of 70mm prints, but that's expensive and would run into the same problem after several years of constant use. The other solution is going digital, but creating a new set up for digital projectors would also be expensive and would result in a loss of resolution from the current version.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion0fLife View Post
    There are multiple problems inherent with switiching to digital. One, is for a screen of that size a 70mm film print is going to provide significantly more resolution and clarity than a digital presentation would. Another issue, as has been pointed out by other posters, is that a digital projection system would require a completely different set up with multiple projection sources arranged around the dome.

    There's really not an ideal solution here. They could make a brand new set of 70mm prints, but that's expensive and would run into the same problem after several years of constant use. The other solution is going digital, but creating a new set up for digital projectors would also be expensive and would result in a loss of resolution from the current version.
    Is the film in the Canadian pavilion digital? Because that film is super crisp and the resolution is plenty fine.


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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by SunsetLament View Post
    Is the film in the Canadian pavilion digital? Because that film is super crisp and the resolution is plenty fine.
    I'm not 100% sure, but because it's a newer film I would have to assume it's a digital presentation. However, the size disparity between a circle vision theater and the massive dome that they have in Soarin' is what makes the difference.

    On a screen of that size you simply cannot match the resolution of 70mm film with any digital projectors currently in existence.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by SunsetLament View Post
    Is the film in the Canadian pavilion digital? Because that film is super crisp and the resolution is plenty fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion0fLife View Post
    I'm not 100% sure, but because it's a newer film I would have to assume it's a digital presentation. However, the size disparity between a circle vision theater and the massive dome that they have in Soarin' is what makes the difference.

    On a screen of that size you simply cannot match the resolution of 70mm film with any digital projectors currently in existence.
    I think the smaller screens in the Canada pavilion may have a little something to do with it. Granted, they're by no means small. But they are in comparison to the Soarin screens.
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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    I wouldn't expect an upgrade anytime soon because they are too focused on spending 1 billion dollars on the MyMagic+ stuff that nobody likes.
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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by PerrySimon View Post
    I wouldn't expect an upgrade anytime soon because they are too focused on spending 1 billion dollars on the MyMagic+ stuff that nobody likes.
    I look forward to DAKs Avatarland (along with all of its rides and other attractions. The upcoming new Fantasyland expansion's 7 Dwarfs coaster will rock and sway too! Nevertheless, WDW management has a notorious, not-so-proud history of cheapness in terms of new attraction budgets, and upkeep in general.
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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    A CircleVision uses multiple screens and multiple projectors. At present, Soaring' uses one projector. At present the best way to get an adequate image would be to map the screen using multiple projectors. This is what they do at The Simpsons Ride.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyM View Post
    It's just an old, worn out film reel. It's been like this for a while now, pretty sad if you ask me. I agree, Soarin' needs a huge refurb. Speaking of scratchy, grainy film, Philharmagic also had the same problem when I went in December. Such a shame!
    First, they don't use film reels and the film itself isn't dirty. IMAX projectors use a totally different system.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    The projector room for Soarin' in Florida also apparently lacks the higher quality insulation and HVAC that is present in California, allowing for dust and debris to more easily get into contact with the film.

    The issue with going digital at the moment is that it would require mapping multiple projection sources.
    If the projection room was cleaner, they wouldn't have as many problems, but like in Florida, the humidity is the big problem. IMAX projectors use a vaccum
    system so it sucks all the dirt and dust onto a lens as the film goes through.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by SunsetLament View Post
    Is the film in the Canadian pavilion digital? Because that film is super crisp and the resolution is plenty fine.
    Yes. It is still film, the only digital projectors in World Showcase are at Mexico and France.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    A CircleVision uses multiple screens and multiple projectors. At present, Soaring' uses one projector. At present the best way to get an adequate image would be to map the screen using multiple projectors. This is what they do at The Simpsons Ride.
    Completely unnecessary now. IMAX digital projectors came out this year for large format IMAX screens, even larger than Soarin's screens. Just convert the film to digital (there probably is a digital master already somewhere, those are digital fireworks and golf balls) and mask for the curve of the screen and you're done, only one projector required.

    Oh this requires money?

    Hmm, we'll get the studio to pay for it by doing a new Soarin' film with Planes references...

    Suddenly digital doesn't seem like all that good of an idea anymore, does it?
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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Disney doesn't like to spend money on substantive things like actually creating a better experience for guests. Look at the Yeti. Expect to see "soarin" look awful for quite some time as they are using film-based technology that even your neighborhood IMAX screen gave up on five years ago. But genuinely improving the guest experience is something that Disney doesn't seem interested in, not when it's making $300 million movies that require $400 million of marketing dollars.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Completely unnecessary now. IMAX digital projectors came out this year for large format IMAX screens, even larger than Soarin's screens. Just convert the film to digital (there probably is a digital master already somewhere, those are digital fireworks and golf balls) and mask for the curve of the screen and you're done, only one projector required.

    Oh this requires money?

    Hmm, we'll get the studio to pay for it by doing a new Soarin' film with Planes references...

    Suddenly digital doesn't seem like all that good of an idea anymore, does it?
    IMAX has had digital projectors available but the resolution still suffers. They have a new laser projector that is expected later this year.

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    Re: What is wrong with Soarin'?

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    IMAX has had digital projectors available but the resolution still suffers. They have a new laser projector that is expected later this year.
    You think most guests would even NOTICE that?

    Here's what I was told point blank by a very, very senior executive at Walt Disney Imagineering a couple of years ago:

    If people are still coming to a ride or attraction, Disney's top Burbank executives see ABSOLUTELY no need to for change, improvement or a refurb except in the case of guest safety issues. They care ONLY about whether people are spending money. Most of them have never even been inside Ellen's Energy Adventure or Impressions de France, so they don't understand what the "crazy fan" complaints are about. People are still going into those rides. If a dinosaur stops moving, a pirate's wiring is visible, a film was made in 1980, or there are (horrors!) scratches on a film print, their attitude is "WHO CARES?" People are still going on the ride/attraction in numbers big enough to justify operations costs. "Bad show" is not a phrase they know or care about in the slightest. Sad, but true. This has caused no end of arguments between theme parks management and Walt Disney Imagineering, leading Burbank to simply fire the Imagineers and farm the work out to contractors who don't complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EC82 View Post
    You think most guests would even NOTICE that?

    Here's what I was told point blank by a very, very senior executive at Walt Disney Imagineering a couple of years ago:

    If people are still coming to a ride or attraction, Disney's top Burbank executives see ABSOLUTELY no need to for change, improvement or a refurb except in the case of guest safety issues. They care ONLY about whether people are spending money. Most of them have never even been inside Ellen's Energy Adventure or Impressions de France, so they don't understand what the "crazy fan" complaints are about. People are still going into those rides. If a dinosaur stops moving, a pirate's wiring is visible, a film was made in 1980, or there are (horrors!) scratches on a film print, their attitude is "WHO CARES?" People are still going on the ride/attraction in numbers big enough to justify operations costs. "Bad show" is not a phrase they know or care about in the slightest. Sad, but true. This has caused no end of arguments between theme parks management and Walt Disney Imagineering, leading Burbank to simply fire the Imagineers and farm the work out to contractors who don't complain.
    Bingo! This is why so many attractions are in bad shape. As long as tourists still continue to come, why fix it? Yes it's upsetting to the fans, but Disney is more focused on getting those big bucks from the tourists who come once every 5 years or so.








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