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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Avatar was not chosen for its ability to create a themed experience. It was chosen by people uninvolved with the park (it was a surprise to Joe Rohde who conceptualized, designed and continues to oversee the park) based solely on the box office numbers. The goal was to lock up the what they erroneously thought was the next Harry Potter because they believed it was just the intellectual property that made The Wizarding World of Harry Potter a phenomenal success.

    And there are no characters and backstories in Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion. Don't buy into the myth of the linear narrative.
    My feelings exactly. No matter how you look at it, you're not gonna be able to replicate or find anything in high demand for an immersive experience in the same matter as Harry Potter. Disney should just accept they lost out big on this and move on to more creative ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Avatar was not chosen for its ability to create a themed experience. It was chosen by people uninvolved with the park (it was a surprise to Joe Rohde who conceptualized, designed and continues to oversee the park) based solely on the box office numbers. The goal was to lock up the what they erroneously thought was the next Harry Potter because they believed it was just the intellectual property that made The Wizarding World of Harry Potter a phenomenal success.
    This is different than the official story.

    And there are no characters and backstories in Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion. Don't buy into the myth of the linear narrative.
    How are there no backstories in these rides? Many rides, attractions, and restaurants have extensive backstories. Recently, Big Thunder Mountain was given a backstory with a painting that resembles Tony Baxter (although I thinks it looks like Donald Sutherland). Just because there's a backstory doesn't mean the rides have them as well. The Indiana Jones Adventure ride doesn't have a storyline although it has an extensive backstory, which is clearly told as you enter the caverns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenW View Post
    This is different than the official story.
    Everything is rosy and wonderful in the Disney version. And if you notice, Rohde is not once mentioned in that press release.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenW View Post
    How are there no backstories in these rides? Many rides, attractions, and restaurants have extensive backstories. Recently, Big Thunder Mountain was given a backstory with a painting that resembles Tony Baxter (although I thinks it looks like Donald Sutherland). Just because there's a backstory doesn't mean the rides have them as well. The Indiana Jones Adventure ride doesn't have a storyline although it has an extensive backstory, which is clearly told as you enter the caverns.
    The obsession with backstories was a development of the late 1980s. Like you just said, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad was only recently given a backstory. Marc Davis, who was quite involved in the creation of Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion, was quite opposed to the linear narrative in themed entertainment.

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    Re: Avatar Land?

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    Camp Minnie-Mickey is the location. Festival of the Lion King is even being moved up to Africa.
    Yes I heard this from Cast Members as well. But I also heard they are having issues with James Camron so maybe the whole idea will be scrapped. We can only hope

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    Re: Avatar Land?

    I'll throw out a completely different idea-- what if WDI had a concept for an addition to AK, and the Avatar licensing helped it get funding?

    As we've seen so many times before, ride and show plans often get stuck at the concept stage until they're matched with the right venue and theme. Imagine if there were an effort to bring a version of Tokyo DisneySea's centerpiece, Mysterious Island, to a US park. AK is the only candidate that has the space, theming, and need for such a major area.

    Mysterious Island contains two attractions, "Journey to the Center of the Earth" and "20,000 Leagues under the Sea" along with a couple of themed restaurants, all packed inside a highly-themed volcano.

    The rides themselves involve exciting visits to strange areas (one underground, the other undersea) filled with fantastic neon-colored imaginary creatures. The rides are fun, though the stories are somewhat lackluster and lack a commercial property tie-in to help merchandise the new land. It would seem that a Avatar re-theming would fit easily into these frameworks, replacing the animatronics and sets with those that match the world of Avatar and its sequels, much as Indiana Jones was turned into CTE/Dinosaur.

    And those in charge of making budget decisions might be swayed to make a major investment around a theme from James Cameron and the highest-grossing film of all time rather than the public-domain writings of a 19th century writer.

    Mysterious Island's volcano theme would certainly be exciting, and the fire show would be visible from far away and add a dynamic element, especially at night. On the other hand, Avatar is centered around a certain giant tree, and the wienie at the center of AK is certainly in need of an upgrade.

    What do you think of my concept?

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    Interesting idea! I think people dislike the theme/ip of avatar though, and also dislike cloned land as seen by the mild backlash towards the speculated cars land at DHS.

    I probably won't be going to Tokyo Disney anytime soon though, and would love to see mysterious island even if it is blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexSaucy View Post
    Interesting idea! I think people dislike the theme/ip of avatar though, and also dislike cloned land as seen by the mild backlash towards the speculated cars land at DHS.

    I probably won't be going to Tokyo Disney anytime soon though, and would love to see mysterious island even if it is blue.
    exactly rex, the problem is with the concept and the ideologies, not what can be done with the property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    The obsession with backstories was a development of the late 1980s.
    Yep, and obsession is the word that describes it. Burbank or Glendale, executives were falling over each other to show Michael and Jeffrey how they'd become disciples of Robert McKee. Never being seen without a McKee or Syd Field book under the arm or on the desk (and giving asinine notes to WDI and WDFA writers, producers and artists) was a badge of management membership.

    The "everything must have a structured backstory" conceit that still clings to the parks is the inheritance of those days, and is continued by many of the execs who Michael hired, trained and promoted, and those who they in turn hired.


    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Marc Davis, who was quite involved in the creation of Pirates of the Caribbean and The Haunted Mansion, was quite opposed to the linear narrative in themed entertainment.
    Exactly. One of the many appeals of by-the-book theme park story-structuring to Eisger-era execs is that it advertises to the power hierarchy that they're not affiliated with those hopelessly old-fashioned "Walties" like Marc and the other first generation Imagineers.
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    Re: Avatar Land?

    Mr. Wiggins quotes author Neil Gabler "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
    Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

    Um ... Didn't the Company's namesake begin that approach several decades ago? Mr. Disney did not write Snow White, Cinderella, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty, Robin Hood, etc. Rather he gripped those stories (created in the imaginations of persons outside of the Company) and found success by altering their presentation.

    Mr. Gabler's assertion could (justifiably) be met with a resounding ... "And?"

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    Re: Avatar Land?

    Put "Journey to the Center of the Earth" in Magic Kingdom to replace the Speedway. There's enough room and the theme bridging Fantasyland (Fantasy) and Tomorrowland (Tech) fits.

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