Folks, a number of posts have been removed from this thread for interjecting personal attacks and asides directed at other members. Let's go forward by posting your sincere thoughts, facts, musings of the thread topic as you see it. Discussion being the whole point of MiceChat, there are going to be people who come here with opinions that may not quite fit your take on the subject You are encouraged to argue your position by quoting more facts you can back up, or explain how you logically came to hold the beliefs you hold. Just don't in any way slip into discussing the personal attributes of your fellow posters. When that happens, the thread discussion is interrupted, hostility is injected, and the thread has the possibility of heading down the road to ruin and eventual closing.
Thanks for your help!