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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    Intimacy. Design. Feel. More whimsical adventures, and overall fun factor. WDW's and TDL's tracks are dated and generic looking. DLP's is simply a mess.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    Flynnibus: I do understand what you are saying but I'm just expressing my opinion. Personally, I feel TT is not a horrible attraction but nowhere near one of the most amazing ever built. It works fairly well for TLS but that doesn't mean they need to go crazy and build tons of attractions using only this technology. If these types of attractions can build upon one another (like the 3D shows) it will definitely help. I will agree with you in saying that it is great in that it's not entirely scripted and the tech. would be welcomed in any queue.

    People complain everywhere about disney building rides that cater to a certain group in the family (TOT,RNRC, AE). I, once again, personally feel TT caters to very young members in the family and isn't very imaginative by using pre-created characters. Timekeeper had appeal to a wide audience. I don't think this ride will be nearly as appealing, but I will suspended my whole opinion 'till it opens.

    I'm sorry if I have offended Turtle Talk fans. I just don't care for it; could you tell? I'm not trying to diss the actors who work for TT. I'm not saying TT is the worst ride ever. I'm not saying if you like TT you suck. I just wanted to express my opinion. Nobody's opinion is right or wrong. You expressed your's and I expressed mine. I hope everything is clear.

    As I said before I will wait to see how this attraction turns out.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    TT is great for kids and I am not a kid. I would love it if they redid autopia posssibly with electric cars, or cars that talked to drivers when you passed over a chip in the track , as far as futuristic, I brought up several months ago the saucer bumper cars and POTC and HM and COuntry bears were not based on movies at the time they were built. how about a virtual reality attraction like the aladin flying carpets they had in innoventions when it opened? that is certainly futuristic technology wise. better than a "comedy club" and after what immagineers did with stitch and the winnie the pooh playground.... I have little faith in the WDW group when it comes to creativity.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by horizonsfan92
    Flynnibus: I do understand what you are saying but I'm just expressing my opinion. Personally, I feel TT is not a horrible attraction but nowhere near one of the most amazing ever built. It works fairly well for TLS but that doesn't mean they need to go crazy and build tons of attractions using only this technology.
    Cool.

    I see TT as a 'enhanced character meet' more then anything. I look at it as an example of potential of how disney can meld technology into attractions without purely for the 'geek' factor.

    I think the TT concept will be seen alot more in the future in different forms. I still love the queue idea.. how sweet would that be to have a wall along the queue that sporatically had interactions appear and interact with you?

    OT:

    I think in today's world of CGI that can create anything.. the pure AA model looks real bad. Disney needs to find ways to meld CGI and real models that take up space to get back a 'larger then life' feel.

    Even simple things like the projections onto the signs like you see in the Imagination Pavilion are good examples of achieving neat little new effects.

    The mist-screen projections while they don't look all that great.. are cool and neat. I want more of this 'unique' disney stuff... AAs are dead IMO.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    WDW's and TDL's tracks are dated and generic looking.
    I do think this is a first. It's the first time I've seen a complaint about TDL from TDLFan. lol

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by kcnole
    I do think this is a first. It's the first time I've seen a complaint about TDL from TDLFan. lol
    A first for you because I have offered other negative complaints about TDL in some other topics...but even those issues I may have are minuscule in regards to what really matters... a clean, efficiently operated park, truly great CMs, variety of special events and entertainment, and overall satisfaction that money can't buy...and for those.. TDL soars above the rest.

    Notice how little entertainment value this new "Dreams" promotion offers, and how it's limited to "some" chosen guests as opposed to something ALL guests could truly enjoy.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    I didn't see any mention of this.. but I swore I read in either the same press release or another one where this will be in a 400-seat theater in Tomorrowland. It never did say the actual location. Will be interesting to see what this is giong to be.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    I think SYNERGY is a dirty word...

    The utterly stupid concept that every new ride has to have a movie connect to sell more merchandize is just stupid.

    I love the idea of a Monster's Inc ride, but not at Tomorrowland. It would be great for Disney MGM.

    I just believe that Tomorrowland should be a optimistic view of the future. The future is cool kind of thing. We need that more today than when Walt was alive.
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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    The most important consideration when building a new theme park attraction its commercial appeal to a pre-sold audience. Market research has proven that children are becoming more involved in vacation planning, and with this in mind it is vital that all new attractions contain recognizable characters. The most effective way to market to families is to market directly to children. Most parents today no longer concern themselves with educating their child while they are on vacation--museums and historic sites, planetariums and aquariums are no longer viable. Disney needs to cater to kids, tweens and teens exclusively. Look how successful the Disney channel has been with this approach. A Tomorrowland based on the old fashioned American optimism of the 20th Century is dated and sad. Tomorrowland (like the rest of the park) must remain hip and edgy, fresh and relevant. Every last inch of Disney property needs to absolutely sparkle with the magic of relevant properties.

    Now that the Tki Room, Pirates of the Caribbean, Alien Encounter have received their character overlays, Disney can focus on fixing dated, un-hip attractions like The Carousel of Progress, Haunted Mansion, Hall of Presidents, the Jungle Cruise and it's a small world.

    Hopefully someday, Disney will get around to fixing such commercially unviable properties as Kilimanjaro Safaris, Spaceship Earth, The American Adventure and all of World Showcase...which have absolutely no character presence at all! What a waste of valuable real estate!

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete
    Market research has proven that children are becoming more involved in vacation planning, and with this in mind it is vital that all new attractions contain recognizable characters. The most effective way to market to families is to market directly to children. Disney needs to cater to kids, tweens and teens exclusively. Look how successful the Disney channel has been with this approach.
    I so disagree with you on this. For once.. it's not the kids paying for their parents' vacation but the other way around. While I recognize that a Disney vacation is the safest way to go in regards to having kids in your company, Disney also needs to take inconcideration what adults may or may not want to do in their vacation.. Otherwise, why bother catering to older adults or single travelers the way they do? Walt created his DL park to cater to both adults and kids alike and to "have fun together". Catering to one particular demographic would be an error of major proportions, and probably the reason why newer overlays like the recent Tikis Under new management and Stitch's great Fiasco do NOT resonate with most patrons...especially those who are longtime guests and those who do not care to bring children in tow.
    un-hip attractions like The Carousel of Progress, Haunted Mansion, Hall of Presidents, the Jungle Cruise and it's a small world.
    Un-hip?? Since when did the JC, IASW and COP become un-hip? COP remains a true Disney classic to most and still has the ability to capture an audience when in operation. JC just got updated at DL and IASW just got another major refurbishing at WDW so they are going nowhere as far as I know. As for the HOP...well many still feel this is a must do show at the MK, even thought it became a rally for whatever Prez happens to be in office, which was a major misfire for Disney to implement.

    Hopefully someday, Disney will get around to fixing such commercially unviable properties as Kilimanjaro Safaris, Spaceship Earth, The American Adventure and all of World Showcase...which have absolutely no character presence at all! What a waste of valuable real estate!
    Again.. you are only expressing a point of view that I honestly believe it's not shared by the majority of posters on this board. The fact that many of the attractions you mention still operate and are popular contradict your point of view. Furthermore... I may ask.. what it is you propose Disney does with all that "wasted" real estate?? More coasters and thrill rides with the name of a character slapped to them? Because I suspect you are a very young teen who is into that type of entertainment and only values the thrill of the moment and not much substance. Want to talk real estate waste?? Let's talk about the over abundance of hotels on the WDW property. That to me is the real waste of real estate.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

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    I so disagree with you on this. For once.. That to me is the real waste of real estate.
    Creating original attractions like Haunted Mansion and it's a small world is entirely too risky. Unproven characters can not be quantified and marketed...oh I can't do it.

    I was tempted to keep this charade going for a little while, but I don't think I can. TDLFAN took me too seriously. I don't believe a single word that I typed. In fact, I agree with everything TDLFAN said. The sad thing is most of the material I typed in my post up there came from actual Disney executives I used to work for (the market research line is a almost a direct quote). Many of them really do believe that stuff.

    I saw a few posters here defending the commercialisation of Tomorrowland, so I thought it would be fun to demonstrate how awful it would be if that philosophy was applied to all of WDW.

    Tomorrowland was once the home of optimism in the Disney theme parks..."where youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future." Now it has all the charm of "Stitch II, Stitch has a Glitch!"

    I love Pixar and I love Monsters Inc, but Tomorrowland deserves original inspiring attractions that leave guests believing there is a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow and they can be part of it.

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    I am probably the only person on this board who likes the tiki room under new management. I just want the show to be a liittle longer and maybe some new songs again, but I like iago and zazu. they make me laugh. It's not the original but then it's nice to have something different

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    Whether a movie tie in or not, I actually don't think there's much difference between what is enjoyed by kids or adults and the best Disney attractions should be enjoyable for the whole family or adults by themselves. Lets face it, which adults don't become big kids while at the park anyway. I laughed my *** off during Turtle Talk.

    There are plenty of non movie rides that have always been hugely popular like Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, Small World. Kilimanjaro safari is always going to be popular because we always like to see animals, so it should last the test of time. Expedition Everest isn't a tie in and should prove successful and long lasting. It isn't because it's a thrill rollercoaster because it isnt the most amazing coaster ever built, but its a good laugh like Thunder Mountain and that's what will make people still ride it in 20 years time by which point god knows what the thrill coasters will be doing. Non tie ins can be done, but they have to be done well and have longevity, otherwise they are pointless in a park like WDW. A trip to WDW isn't like other parks where you are going to ride the newest rides and get thrills, its about doing almost everything in the park and doing rides that you have been doing since you were a kid and then doing them again with your kids and so on.

    That said there are several rides that I found boring as a kid and I still find boring as an adult. I don't see the big deal about Carousel of Progress, I understand the importance of it in the Disney timeline but I wouldn't line up to ride it and I don't think I'm too much in the minority on that one because while at WDW last month the entrance for COP was split between people for the ride and people wanting to meet Buzz Lightyear. We lined up for at least 20 mins for Buzz, I could have counted the people who entered COP on two hands. I dont remember If You Had Wings as being anything special, I dont remember it at all and i visited WDW twice while it was still in operation. And World Showcase has always been pointless in my mind; maybe because I've been to most the countries for real or maybe because they are done how American's view the other countries and not what they are really like. When we got to United Kingdom last month (to meet the Pooh gang) even my wife from Alabama said "this is nothing like home".

    Tomorrowland is unique to the other lands because it is supposed to be about the unknown and looking to the bright future. 50 years ago that wasn't such a hard thing to do, computers were growing in use and people could dream about the improvements to life that they would bring which they did. But today when you look into the future there isn't that much to dream about how our lives will dramatically change, especially not through technology. Space is already so well covered in the land and that really is the only frontier left for the normal person. If You Had Wings showed how flying could bring the world closer to you; not a big deal nowadays, you can get flights from the UK to France and back for 2p (a dime), we don't have to dream about it. We're not going to live in underwater colonies, we're not going to have hover cars, we already have electric cars and normally one or more computers in each household. We just don't have the room to conceive a grand positive look at the future that they did back when Tomorrowland was conceived.

    And history has proved the point that "tomorrow" rides don't last. Compare how many of the Tomorrowland rides compared to the rest of the park have needed to be scrapped since the park opened; it's a huge amount and that's before you add rides like Horizons which were the same category.

    Right now Disney doesn't need to be adding rides that are only going to be there for a decade and unfortunately thats what most vision of the future rides are. What they do need to do is build attractions that will become the classics in another 30,40,50 years time; and the most likely way thats going to happen is if they are based on the movies that will be considered the classics by the next generation. 30 years from now the adults are going to want to take their kids on the rides based on the movies from their childhood considered classics, and that's gonna be Monsters, Nemo, Mermaid, Lion King, Toy Story; much like the same way we drag our kids onto Snow White and Peter Pan or in my case subject my kid to frequent viewings of the Tranformers Movie. It may seem like Pixar overkill now, I bet it will seem different in the future. And as soon as they do make a future based movie, I wouldn't be surprised if COP is next to go.

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    Re: The Laugh Floor Comedy Club Confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by JiminyCricketFan
    I think SYNERGY is a dirty word...
    No it is not just a dirty word it is an evil concept too.

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    bravo strongstyle!

    Unfortunatly classics aren't always explicitly made.. they are born and become classics on their own. Makes them hard to predict

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