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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    If it were possible, I would have the monorails connect to the four parks and maybe the waterparks, not the hotels.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42 View Post
    ^And Vegas' new trains are Bombardier Mark IV trains. Hmmm...I wonder where they got Mark IV from? And let's not forget, Vegas' got a kickstart with two old WDW Mark IV Monorails.
    Las Vegas operates Bombadier M-VIs, not Mark IVs. However, the M-VI is based on Bombadier's work for Disney and the Mark VI.

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW Monorail View Post
    WDW would probally need at least 12 new trains in order to fulfill passanger demands.
    I think it would depend on how the system was set up. I think a comprehensive resort line would require more along the lines of 30 trains. Trains with different capacities should also run. An Epcot-Downtown Disney line should run trains with a lower capacity and at longer intervals than a Disney's Animal Kingdom-Downtown Disney line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathius View Post
    If it were possible, I would have the monorails connect to the four parks and maybe the waterparks, not the hotels.
    Would you expand the Ticketing and Transportation Center, move it, or have multiple Centers?

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42 View Post
    ^And Vegas' new trains are Bombardier Mark IV trains. Hmmm...I wonder where they got Mark IV from? And let's not forget, Vegas' got a kickstart with two old WDW Mark IV Monorails.

    Back to Orlando, if WDW's system was expanded, they would need more trains then the twelve they have, and a new maintenance facility also.
    What in the heck was your point? A little defensive of Disney, aren't we? I was just making a cost comparison on the cost/mile here and mentioning it would be less at WDW because they already have trains while we had to buy all new ones.

    And, for the record, the trains here barring the occasional malfunction that happens anywhere are far superior to the ones at WDW. GPS tracks them and stations are notified via a recorded spiel when the next trains are arriving and departing. There's no driver since the whole thing is automated. ETC. Their only weakness is the company that owns it doesn't understand marketing at all and the casinos almost try to keep the monorail from being successful because they see it as a way for people to get out of the casino, and thus it must be bad.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    ^I'm sorry for coming off that way, as I wasn't trying to. I definitely should have rethought the wording of that. I just find the history behind the Vegas monorail system interesting from a WDW standpoint, and I thought I'd share some of that history for those who didn't know.

    And yes, I made a typo, they are Bombardier M-VI's, not M-IV's.

    To be fair, I said nothing about the Vegas trains being worse than WDW. Yes, the wording of my last post is bad. However, the Vegas monorails do operate very well, and do their job quite nicely, and like MickeyMania said, the group running the project needs to figure out how to sell these to the casino.

    I think with the airport expansion coming up that might be easier to do though, as now the monorail will bring visitors TO the casinos faster, easier, and cheaper (from the visitor's standpoint).

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Ok first off I am 100% behind the idea of expanding the monorail system. I love monorails, I pushed for them locally when the plan came up to add them in the Baltimore area a few years back, they have a lot of benefits over most other forms of public transport most or all of which have already been mentioned in the thread like lower operating costs, greater capacity, speed, safer, less pollution, less traffic, huge personnel savings (not to mention cost of benefits and health plans etc for Disney...) and well just the plain cool factor. Even if we don't stay on the monorail my daughter and I always ride the monorail just for the fun of it when we go to WDW. Disney would also benefit from some tax credits in replacing busses with electric or alternate fuel vehicles, I think its like 3k per bus removed from service per year last I checked... not insignificant when you think about it.

    Now here are a few things I have not seen in this thread that probably would cause it not to happen:
    • Bad PR of laying off hundreds (if not more) cast members, you need a fraction of the drivers, if any drivers at all the Vegas system is the first in the world to be completely driverless and 100% automated. All those Bus drivers would essentially be laid off; you would need a couple dozen operators and possibly a few station attendants.
    • Union issues? Not sure here but isn't there a CM Union? They might make a fuss over so many ppl being laid off as well. I recall a strike or threat of strike many years ago (political cartoon of Mickey in a giant mousetrap after crossing the line is what I'm basing this on...) last thing Disney wants is to shut down operations for even a day and lose out on the revenue and have to deal with irate guests.
    • Disney/WED now longer owns the monorail patents - I believe Bombardier now owns the look and feel as well as name and other patents for the monorails now; there may be an additional fee if they went with new units. That or a concession of a "Monorail systems Sponsored by Bombardier" on every train and platform will have to be worked out by the lawyers.
    • Land usage/environmental impact - Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you all will! ) but isn't there buffer zones and environmental issues that Disney has to deal with for any construction, even though its on their property I'm sure they at least have to follow federal rules and have wetland impact surveys done by the army corps of engineers. A monorail requires about the same amount of right of way as a two lane road for new construction. That means some trees will have to me moved/removed some wetlands altered.
    • Redesign of hotels - Ok most of the newer hotels on the property do not appear to have been designed with the prospect of ever having a monorail station attached to the main building. There will probably be a few protests at how the monorail "ruined" the look of the hotel before they are done.

    Again, I really want to see them expand, but somehow I doubt they will spend the money and effort these days to make it happen unless someone in WED gets with an accountant and shows a really rosy earned value savings or potential profit driver for the project.
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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    I like the monorail Idea because I love riding on em and they would make getting around a lot easier but another thing to kinda consider is theming...they'd have to make it so you couldn't see the monorails from say AK....does it really fit to be able to see a monorail when standing in line from Killamanjaro or Everest? The studios wouldn't be quite as bad but again if they ever did it they would have to find a way 4 it to be as less intrusive as possible so it doesn't throw a wrench in the theme of the park...the hollywood that never was...now with monorails lol...obviously the busses aren't exactly as nice as the monorails but they are on the ground and their views are easily hidden from within the park...I dunno maybe i'm being nit picky here just a thought I'd throw out there.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    An expansion would likely require the EPCOT station to be the central transfer point. It could be expanded upward or downward (not across -- down-over-then-up could be just down-or-up when someone transfers). Add AK with the station there between the AK Lodge and AK. Put MGM on the way.
    Other resorts could simply have buses take guests to EPCOT instead of all the way to MK. (All-Stars to AK could still be by bus.)
    Buses are extremely versatile. If there were a way to make them more magical, maybe they wouldn't be so reviled. Revilers are invited to provide suggestions.

    Monorail trains have to be separated by some distance from each other, in order for boarding and unboarding to be completed. There is some maximum number of trains, and the distance, at better-than-driving speed, is not that great. Anyone want to wait for two or three trains? Buses can be dispatched to busy areas. (Not that they are, necessarily.)
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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerren View Post
    [*]Disney/WED now longer owns the monorail patents - I believe Bombardier now owns the look and feel as well as name and other patents for the monorails now; there may be an additional fee if they went with new units. That or a concession of a "Monorail systems Sponsored by Bombardier" on every train and platform will have to be worked out by the lawyers.
    I don't think Disney world be that foolish. Eventually the Mark VIs will have to be replaced because they are simply too old to do the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerren View Post
    [*]Land usage/environmental impact - Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you all will! ) but isn't there buffer zones and environmental issues that Disney has to deal with for any construction, even though its on their property I'm sure they at least have to follow federal rules and have wetland impact surveys done by the army corps of engineers. A monorail requires about the same amount of right of way as a two lane road for new construction. That means some trees will have to me moved/removed some wetlands altered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerren View Post
    [*]Redesign of hotels - Ok most of the newer hotels on the property do not appear to have been designed with the prospect of ever having a monorail station attached to the main building. There will probably be a few protests at how the monorail "ruined" the look of the hotel before they are done.[/LIST]
    Again, I really want to see them expand, but somehow I doubt they will spend the money and effort these days to make it happen unless someone in WED gets with an accountant and shows a really rosy earned value savings or potential profit driver for the project.
    I agree, many probably would complain. However, design solutions can also be thought up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stimpy215 View Post
    I like the monorail Idea because I love riding on em and they would make getting around a lot easier but another thing to kinda consider is theming...they'd have to make it so you couldn't see the monorails from say AK....does it really fit to be able to see a monorail when standing in line from Killamanjaro or Everest? The studios wouldn't be quite as bad but again if they ever did it they would have to find a way 4 it to be as less intrusive as possible so it doesn't throw a wrench in the theme of the park...the hollywood that never was...now with monorails lol...obviously the busses aren't exactly as nice as the monorails but they are on the ground and their views are easily hidden from within the park...I dunno maybe i'm being nit picky here just a thought I'd throw out there.
    The monorails only enter the actual park at Disneyland and Epcot.

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Buses are extremely versatile. If there were a way to make them more magical, maybe they wouldn't be so reviled. Revilers are invited to provide suggestions.
    I have an idea to make the buses magical: shorts. Wouldn't it be great if there were video monitors thoughout the bus showing the Silly Symphonies and old Fab Five cartoons? If the schedules are planned out in advance at all, a computer could select the proper short(s) (based on their length) to show during the trip around Walt Disney World.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    dod owning shades of green has nothing to do with wetlands distruction. When Ak was being built disney made a deal with the state. They were allowed to destroy the wetlands for the park and in return disney bought a piece of land ( I can't remember the name but it was something ranch.) that was environmentally sensitive and donated it to the government instead of having to make wetlands somewhere else on the property.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cmash95 View Post
    dod owning shades of green has nothing to do with wetlands distruction. When Ak was being built disney made a deal with the state. They were allowed to destroy the wetlands for the park and in return disney bought a piece of land ( I can't remember the name but it was something ranch.) that was environmentally sensitive and donated it to the government instead of having to make wetlands somewhere else on the property.
    It was a joke, thus the . All wetlands in the United States are under the jurisdiction of the Army Corps of Engineers. Disney should be dealing with them, not Florida.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania View Post
    There's no driver since the whole thing is automated.

    They have a driver. I saw a picture of em on the Monorail Society (which I am a member of) website. Great pics any fan of monorails should look at.


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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mnemorath View Post
    They have a driver. I saw a picture of em on the Monorail Society (which I am a member of) website. Great pics any fan of monorails should look at.
    I think this may be the image you are talking about. Technicians can sit up front to monitor individual trains, but the system is entirely automated and driverless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    I think this may be the image you are talking about. Technicians can sit up front to monitor individual trains, but the system is entirely automated and driverless.

    Yep thats the pic. I could have sworn its caption mentioned that i was a rare pic of the driver.


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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    When AK was first put into the plans they had a monorail line already setup. After they saw what the costs for the monorail lines would be due to the high cost at that time for concrete the plan was nixed.

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    Re: WDW Monorail System Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mnemorath View Post
    Yep thats the pic. I could have sworn its caption mentioned that i was a rare pic of the driver.
    I must say, I hope Disney never goes pilotless. Sitting up front with a good pilot is just one of those things that makes Disney special.

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