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    What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    With everyone saying that MGM needs the most attention of the parks at WDW, I was wondering what everyone thinks needs to happen there. There is so many options like bringing the toon studios from Disney Studios in Paris. There is also the rumor that a Indiana Jones ride similar to the one at Disneyland to be built there. Personally I would like to see a more set theme to each of the different areas there and also a couple of d and c ticket rides. Then another e-ticket like Indiana Jones.

    What do you think??

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    I would follow your idea. I do not believe that one big E-TIcket would do much. There has to be multiple solutions.



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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Redo the backlot tour
    stop acting like its a movie studio if it no longer is
    update the indy stunt show
    update startours and muppets
    make the 'city streets' some better shopping
    bring more of disney's successful cartoon characters in for more face time (the meet and greet stations they have now are pretty light)
    add more dining

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Oh, and i forgot one more thing. Add the Great Muppet's Movie Ride. I think that could be great.

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Mr. Iger: Tear Down That Hat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Quote Originally Posted by WDW1974 View Post
    Mr. Iger: Tear Down That Hat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Totally agree!!!

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

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    Whenever people starting talking about "fixing" a park, the first thing they think of is ad an E-Ticket. But much like DCA, one new E-Ticket isn't going to change things. It's a step in the right direction, but it's mostly a short term gain, long term loss. The addition of Sunset Blvd. area really helped by adding two new E-Tickets and the much desperately (though maybe not as well executed) night time spectacular that Sorcery in the Sky didn't seem to bring.

    Now, What Disney-MGM has going for it is the restaurents. It has some of the best themed places (Scifi Drive in, 50's Primetime) and some of the best food (Brown Derby). Unfortunately, down towards the Streets of America and the Lights, Motors, Action arena, there is very little choice in places to eat that doesn't include a pretzel and/or Coke.

    Beind the huge Indy fan I am, I love the Stunt Spectacular, but I also love the Indy style rides of Disneyland/DisneySea. With the Indy 4 film continuously in and out of production (are they still doing it?), you can't count on a future tie in to draw in the crowds. I feel most rides shouldn't be cloned, which is why I would prefer the Stunt Spectacular get a face lift, then torn out.

    As stated a million times by numerous others, Star Tours, though classic as it may be, needs an update, as does MuppetVision 3D. Not a change of characters, just new effects and potentially new movies to go along with it.

    Now seeing as the Studios no longer really does much actual filming... I think it's time to either ditch the Backlot Tour or completely overhaul it, otherwise it's just a waste of space (yes, I love some of the props and Catastrophe Canyon, but they could be moved if necessary). Also, the Animation Building needs to be turned into something similar to DCA's or something new entirely. Every time I walk past the "fish bowl", I get very depressed, knowing that no animation is being done (or possibly never will be again) down there.

    Now for the hat and Great Movie ride... Personally I feel the Hat serves fairly well as an Icon for the park (yes, I know they had the Earful Tower and the Chinese Theather), but the Hat definitely serves its purpose as a very tall, distinct, central location in the park (thoughh it makes getting a good picture of the Chinese Theater VERY difficult). Now the Great Movie Ride needs an update badly, probably moreso than Star Tours or anything else. With less of the MGM brand in the parks, I feel its safe to possibly remove some of their films from the ride, Alien would be my number one choice. They also need to get better cast members "acting" in there. That's not to say they are all bad, but it can get pretty bad sometimes, but it doesn't help that a lot of the speaker systems on the cars either are too loud or don't work well at all.

    In summary, Hat can stay. Everything needs a face lift. A Couple E-Tickets would be nice. Also a couple new places to eat. Ditch the "working" studio stuff and we may have a park.


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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Quote Originally Posted by goofgeek View Post
    Warning: Text Heavy Post

    Whenever people starting talking about "fixing" a park, the first thing they think of is ad an E-Ticket. But much like DCA, one new E-Ticket isn't going to change things. It's a step in the right direction, but it's mostly a short term gain, long term loss. The addition of Sunset Blvd. area really helped by adding two new E-Tickets and the much desperately (though maybe not as well executed) night time spectacular that Sorcery in the Sky didn't seem to bring.

    Now, What Disney-MGM has going for it is the restaurents. It has some of the best themed places (Scifi Drive in, 50's Primetime) and some of the best food (Brown Derby). Unfortunately, down towards the Streets of America and the Lights, Motors, Action arena, there is very little choice in places to eat that doesn't include a pretzel and/or Coke.

    Beind the huge Indy fan I am, I love the Stunt Spectacular, but I also love the Indy style rides of Disneyland/DisneySea. With the Indy 4 film continuously in and out of production (are they still doing it?), you can't count on a future tie in to draw in the crowds. I feel most rides shouldn't be cloned, which is why I would prefer the Stunt Spectacular get a face lift, then torn out.

    As stated a million times by numerous others, Star Tours, though classic as it may be, needs an update, as does MuppetVision 3D. Not a change of characters, just new effects and potentially new movies to go along with it.

    Now seeing as the Studios no longer really does much actual filming... I think it's time to either ditch the Backlot Tour or completely overhaul it, otherwise it's just a waste of space (yes, I love some of the props and Catastrophe Canyon, but they could be moved if necessary). Also, the Animation Building needs to be turned into something similar to DCA's or something new entirely. Every time I walk past the "fish bowl", I get very depressed, knowing that no animation is being done (or possibly never will be again) down there.

    Now for the hat and Great Movie ride... Personally I feel the Hat serves fairly well as an Icon for the park (yes, I know they had the Earful Tower and the Chinese Theather), but the Hat definitely serves its purpose as a very tall, distinct, central location in the park (thoughh it makes getting a good picture of the Chinese Theater VERY difficult). Now the Great Movie Ride needs an update badly, probably moreso than Star Tours or anything else. With less of the MGM brand in the parks, I feel its safe to possibly remove some of their films from the ride, Alien would be my number one choice. They also need to get better cast members "acting" in there. That's not to say they are all bad, but it can get pretty bad sometimes, but it doesn't help that a lot of the speaker systems on the cars either are too loud or don't work well at all.

    In summary, Hat can stay. Everything needs a face lift. A Couple E-Tickets would be nice. Also a couple new places to eat. Ditch the "working" studio stuff and we may have a park.
    I like all your ideas except the hat. I think that if they want to keep it, it should be moved outside of the park. Right at the entrance. I think it messes up the theme they are trying to get there. But as for your thoughts for Indiana Jones, I think it needs to go. I know alot of people like it but its just old to me. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    I need to just save this post somewhere so I don't have to keep retyping it. Let's see if I can remember everything I posted last time.

    1. Retheme the backlot tour to the Special Effects Tram tour. It would still start with the water stunt show but this would be changed to a pirates special effects show instead of pearl harbor. Still use the audience participation but have them play pirates instead of sailors. We then move to the trams which now have at least 3 special effects warehouses spread throughout the path of the tram tour which have some sort of cool special effects extravaganza similar to catastrophe canyon. You could still keep the props and costuming along the way of the tour as filler between the warehouses.

    2. Refurb Star Tours and finally make Star Tours 2.0

    3. Add at least one or two more good dark rides to the park in addition to Toy Story Mania.

    4. Refurb the GMR and take out the older movies and add in things like scenes from Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or other popular movies of the last 15 years or so.

    5. Remove Sounds Dangerous and put in a show similar to the old tv show that used to be there or something similar but not the same as Universal's Horror makeup show that uses audience interaction.

    6. Refurb Fantasmic, take out the pocahontas scene and replace with pirates, add several new effects to make it the premiere fantasmic around.

    7. Make the animation tour worthwhile again.

    8. Remove the current Little Mermaid show and bring in the one from Tokyo.

    9. Remove Beauty and the Beast and put something new in here.

    10. Add new streetmosphere all around the park, maybe have some sporadic "film shoots" taking place where the directors call for extras and place park guests into the role of those extras just to add some extra flavor around.

    And that's my 10 steps for fixing MGM.

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    1. Get rid of hat - first impressions matter. The old vista exuded class...the new one exudes tackiness.

    2. Indy Stunt Spectacular is here, so why not Indy ride? The old Indiana Jones films have a classic status, so it does not matter that they do not have an immediate movie tie in.

    3. State of the art motion simulator, be it Star Tours or something else. If Universal can do it, why can't Disney?

    4. Get rid of studio tram tour - it's an embarassment. Frees up land for another E ticket or themed area. While their at it, maybe stop calling this park a "studio." A name like "Disney's Movieland" or something would be more appropriate.

    5. Since a lot of the other E-tickets have height restrictions, how about a good old fashioned dark ride E ticket the whole family can enjoy? Maybe on a fairy tale, or the like? Sleeping Beauty is one that I think would look great as a ride, especially if they didn't go cheap on the budget.

    6. As with all the other parks, better maintenance and upgrades to all the existing rides.

    And that's my 2 cents.

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    I get the feeling from reading this thread, along with several others, that Disney is shying away from using the Chinese Theater as a centerpiece. If that's the case, what if they changed the facade of the building, incorporating the hat, to make an all new centerpiece. I can imagine a wonderful building similar to the animation studio building in Burbank, except more fun and fancy free.

    Also, if you look at the history of the park, MGM was brought in due to Disney's lack of a popular film library. That isn't the case any more. What if now they could make a Vault Disney or Great Disney Movie Ride in the GMR's place. It sort of reminds me of a plan I made a while back that would be an East Coast version of storybookland, where instead of Canal Boats, the attraction would utilize Spiderman technology. I think the multi-soundstage setup would be perfect for a new GMR. The attraction could showcase the Pixar Films, POTC, Haunted Mansion, the Disney Classics (animated and not, including 20K). I think it would be a great new headliner attraction, especially if Disney made good use of modern technology.
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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post
    I get the feeling from reading this thread, along with several others, that Disney is shying away from using the Chinese Theater as a centerpiece. If that's the case, what if they changed the facade of the building, incorporating the hat, to make an all new centerpiece. I can imagine a wonderful building similar to the animation studio building in Burbank, except more fun and fancy free.

    Also, if you look at the history of the park, MGM was brought in due to Disney's lack of a popular film library. That isn't the case any more. What if now they could make a Vault Disney or Great Disney Movie Ride in the GMR's place. It sort of reminds me of a plan I made a while back that would be an East Coast version of storybookland, where instead of Canal Boats, the attraction would utilize Spiderman technology. I think the multi-soundstage setup would be perfect for a new GMR. The attraction could showcase the Pixar Films, POTC, Haunted Mansion, the Disney Classics (animated and not, including 20K). I think it would be a great new headliner attraction, especially if Disney made good use of modern technology.
    I like your idea of the eastcoast version of the story book land canals. That would be great. Disney could really turn that into a great ride. But I wouldnt want them to do that to GMR, its a family ride and it needs to stay that way. That could be another ride in the park though. Also, I know there has been the rumors about a Great Muppets Movie Ride and I was thinking couldnt this just be an overlay for like one month out of the year. Just something else I was thinking about. What do ya think??

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Redo the backlot tour
    stop acting like its a movie studio if it no longer is
    update the indy stunt show
    update startours and muppets
    make the 'city streets' some better shopping
    bring more of disney's successful cartoon characters in for more face time (the meet and greet stations they have now are pretty light)
    add more dining

    I would love to see actual shops in the store fronts on the streets

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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Quote Originally Posted by tyler2cfhs View Post
    I like your idea of the eastcoast version of the story book land canals. That would be great. Disney could really turn that into a great ride. But I wouldnt want them to do that to GMR, its a family ride and it needs to stay that way. That could be another ride in the park though. Also, I know there has been the rumors about a Great Muppets Movie Ride and I was thinking couldnt this just be an overlay for like one month out of the year. Just something else I was thinking about. What do ya think??
    I agree, I really like the GMR also, but I think Disney should start considering thier options for when they finally come to their senses and discontinue association with MGM. MGM is building a park in Korea now, and they are associated with casinos and glitz and adult entertainment, and I'm not sure that's a name that Disney should remain associated with. Disney has a very diverse film catalog that they can use to make an excellent ride. What they need now are rides that would evenly compete with those at other theme parks. Basically, GMR, needs to become the headliner attraction at the Disney Studios. Its a relationship that often happens at IOA. Even though Hulk and DD are the faster, bigger, thrill attractions, Spidey always seems to win public opinion.

    Also, and I know folks are going to disagree with me here. Disney needs to find ways of making sure each experience on an attraction is the best possible. Sometimes that means getting rid of human performers. I for one am sick to death of having bad experiences on human performance attractions. Granted, it is very necessary for some attractions, especially Jungle Cruise and the like, but even there, a bad performance can kill a great ride. I'm not apologetic for my fellow cast members in this sense. I don't care if you're tired, angry at someone or something, or what, your job is to give 100% performance. I know there are cast members out there that feel the same way. The way I like to think about it is this. What if on board your tram there's a make-a-wish child, and this ride may possibly be their last, shouldn't it be your job to make sure that its the best ride they've ever had?

    Also, GMR comes off so scripted, even when the acting is good. I don't think Disney should waste the opportunity they have with that building. We, as a public, need to see something new and exciting. This doesn't mean a thrill ride, but it needs to be something worth waiting two hours to ride.
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    Re: What Needs to Be Done at MGM...

    Theme the whole park like the Great Movie ride, the old-fashioned cinema atmosphere is the biggest thing going for MGM (Tower of terror fits in nicely with it too).

    Backlot tour isn't too great, I don't like the 'behind the scenes' type things.

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