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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by NickCharles View Post
    Not in my world it isn't. I can't enjoy the rest of what I'm doing if I'm sleeping in a ****hole. I can only stay in such plain drab quarters under very specific circumstances, and only if it is very short.

    Call me a snob. Because I am.
    If your idea of a resort is the WDW deluxes, you're not a snob but actually a sucker who is paying too much.

    I've said it before, and here I'll say it again: I live in a city with some of the most expensive hotel complexes in the world. If you want luxury, you can go plan a vacation around one of those. The reason I don't pay $400 for a night at the GF is because I can get a Tower Suite at Wynn, which blows the roof the GF, for the same rate. I know better than to pay the ridiculous fees that WDW is asking for because I do stay at very nice places, and that experience has taught me better.

    The original Disney lodgings was a small motor motel. I don't seem to remember "Disneyland is a millionaire's land."

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by ghosty4 View Post
    I haven't been in any Disney pool (on either coast) and I probably never will be... WHO HAS TIME?! The "value" resorts are a perfect fit for how I vacation.
    Because a proper resort allows you to RELAX... not just goto specific attractions. If you've never experienced a Disney themed pool (such as the old River Country, the water parks, or gems like the Beach club) you are SORELY missing out.


    Quote Originally Posted by ghosty4 View Post
    I do have a question on deluxe resorts, though. Are the mattresses any different? Is the toilet paper any better? Are the toiletries the same? These are the only huge differences that I could see swaying my money towards a deluxe or better resort. If they have the same mattresses, toilet paper and shampoo, then what are you really paying for?
    Yes, those things are all nicer. A simple example.. the beds in 2 bed layouts in the Pop are only full size beds, vs queens. Also, the hotel is more then the room itself. I shouldn't have to dread going out to get something to eat.. or what the crowd is doing at the pool if I want to go for a late night swim. We never once eat at the food court because it was simply too crowded to make it worth the hassle. We waited till we got to the parks to eat.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by Opus1guy View Post
    This is so, so, so, so, so true. As a true Road Warrior...I know all about this subject!

    Hotels/Motels should never be playgrounds in and around the guestroom areas...at any time of the day or night! And it's not just a matter of day and night. Many guests in hotels have their sleeping hours during the day!

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    Yes yes yes. I travel a fair amount on business myself. Maybe 10 trips a year on average.

    It is allways a shock going from business orineted hotels where there are no kids, to "vacation" hotels where there is noise around the clock.

    Before anbody thinks I hate kids, I don't. I have 5 and 8 year old girls. Believe it or not, we like to have fun as well. But they also know that when I tell them to behave, thats what they do. I have never had a meltdown in a restaruant with them. It times I have to remind them how to sit correctly, but they don't cut up. Same goes for hotels, planes, trains, stores, movies, etc. You don't have to mean or an ogre, you just have to set rules and expected behavior for your kids.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post
    It would seem from the attitude of a lot of the posts here that many folks aren't really upset with the resorts themselves, but rather the people who stay there. To that, I just have one statement...shame on you. Sure there are people who have rowdy kids, but they can be found every where at any time, even your precious Deluxe resorts.
    There is a huge difference in the 'exception' vs the 'norm'. I have 3 kids.. all under 10yrs old.. however I would never let them run rampent and ruin other people's evenings.

    There is a difference between a handful of problem kids.. vs the whole place being overran with chaos.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAbe View Post
    I can't speak in regards to the toilet paper (I don't recall the quality) or the shampoo, because I bring my own, but the beds in the nicer hotels are way better than the less expensive hotels I've been in. I have never been to WDW, but I have stayed in some cheap hotels and some really nice ones. The beds and pillows are awesome in the nicer hotels.
    I meant "value" Disney resorts specifically compared to "deluxe" Disney resorts. We stopped by the Grand Floridian to look at the gift shop and check it out in general, and I used the bathroom which was one of the nastiest on the property and the toilet paper was exactly the same as in our value resort room. I was not so impressed.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Because a proper resort allows you to RELAX... not just goto specific attractions. If you've never experienced a Disney themed pool (such as the old River Country, the water parks, or gems like the Beach club) you are SORELY missing out.
    In my own, and I'm sure a few people here's opinion, I can relax at home for free. When I make the trip to Disney World, sitting on my rump on the side of a pool just doesn't sound appealing. If I want to go to a water park, I can do that no matter where I'm staying. If I want to cool down with a refreshing swim, the Piano Pool or Calypso Pool at the Music is good enough for me.

    Honestly speaking though, the water areas at the Disney resorts aren't really all that impressive. I've seen them all, and I'll tell you, none of them come anywhere close to what some of the resorts near me at the Wisconsin Dells have to offer. Now see, they are worth it because when you go to the Dells, much of your time is spent "relaxing". They have attractions, but none that can really take up a whole day.
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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    There is a huge difference in the 'exception' vs the 'norm'. I have 3 kids.. all under 10yrs old.. however I would never let them run rampent and ruin other people's evenings.

    There is a difference between a handful of problem kids.. vs the whole place being overran with chaos.
    There is no such thing as the "norm". When I visited, there were no screaming kids running rampant. That's just another generalization. Unless you stayed at a particular resort for an entire month, or to be more scientific, a year, you couldn't accurately define a "norm".
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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    a snack used to be a item such as a counter service snack.. such as a meal from the counter in Poly.. now its a single .50 cent item. at least give me a $3 ice cream bar.. but a .50 cent box of nerds? that's sad
    Actually, it's up to the user how to spend the snack credits. If they're craving a box of Nerds, so be it! We were getting $3.95 Dole Whip Floats and warm, fresh baked cinnamon rolls from the Main St. Bakery! We even got a cappuccino at Animal Kingdom. It's how you choose to use it.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phonedave View Post
    Yes yes yes. I travel a fair amount on business myself. Maybe 10 trips a year on average.

    It is allways a shock going from business orineted hotels where there are no kids, to "vacation" hotels where there is noise around the clock.

    Before anbody thinks I hate kids, I don't. I have 5 and 8 year old girls. Believe it or not, we like to have fun as well. But they also know that when I tell them to behave, thats what they do. I have never had a meltdown in a restaruant with them. It times I have to remind them how to sit correctly, but they don't cut up. Same goes for hotels, planes, trains, stores, movies, etc. You don't have to mean or an ogre, you just have to set rules and expected behavior for your kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    There is a huge difference in the 'exception' vs the 'norm'. I have 3 kids.. all under 10yrs old.. however I would never let them run rampent and ruin other people's evenings.

    There is a difference between a handful of problem kids.. vs the whole place being overran with chaos.
    exactly, I also have a child. She is 16 now, but I always took her every where with me and never had to deal with behaviors I see in public. I would not allow her to behave that way. I certainly would not allow her to ruin someone else's time or day.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post

    It would seem from the attitude of a lot of the posts here that many folks aren't really upset with the resorts themselves, but rather the people who stay there.
    Oh no, I actually dislike the concept of Value "Resorts" on Disney property themselves.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania View Post
    If your idea of a resort is the WDW deluxes, you're not a snob but actually a sucker who is paying too much.

    I've said it before, and here I'll say it again: I live in a city with some of the most expensive hotel complexes in the world. If you want luxury, you can go plan a vacation around one of those. The reason I don't pay $400 for a night at the GF is because I can get a Tower Suite at Wynn, which blows the roof the GF, for the same rate. I know better than to pay the ridiculous fees that WDW is asking for because I do stay at very nice places, and that experience has taught me better.

    The original Disney lodgings was a small motor motel. I don't seem to remember "Disneyland is a millionaire's land."
    Ummmmm, yeah the Poly is a Disney Resort Hotel, on the Lagoon with a marina, monorail service to the parks and a nice atmosphere. Nobody said the Poly or the Wilderness Lodge or the Yacht Club et al was the Ritz Carlton, Naples. And I've also said it before elsewhere on this site and I'll say it again: The rates Disney charges for those hotels are highway robbery. However, I go to Disney, I stay there or just don't go. No Value "Resorts" for me. That's my choice. And just for once, do you think you can post here WITHOUT blabbing about living in Las Vegas? Who cares? I live in New York City. Let's talk about expensive hotels, shall we? Keep in mind too, the hotel rates in Vegas are STILL subsidized by the casinos. Yeah, they ain't as cheap as they used to be, but you're STILL paying less than if there were no casino downstairs. Of course, if there were no casino downstairs, then who the hell would go to Vegas?

    Also, the original WDW plan was ALL deluxe hotels. Contemporary, Asian, Venetian, Polynesian and Persian.
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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post
    In my own, and I'm sure a few people here's opinion, I can relax at home for free. When I make the trip to Disney World, sitting on my rump on the side of a pool just doesn't sound appealing
    Then goto an amusement park.. not a resort. Some people chose to vacation away from home or get away from things at home.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post
    If I want to go to a water park, I can do that no matter where I'm staying.
    A vast generalization. again.. while there are amusement parks everywhere, they are few that total up like a disney park. The same applies for water parks. My local six flags has plenty of water attractions.. but I don't think it compares to Blizzard Beach.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post
    If I want to cool down with a refreshing swim, the Piano Pool or Calypso Pool at the Music is good enough for me.
    Are there jaccouzi or hot tubs there.. not everyone wants to dip in the big kiddie pool.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoppelV View Post
    Honestly speaking though, the water areas at the Disney resorts aren't really all that impressive. I've seen them all, and I'll tell you, none of them come anywhere close to what some of the resorts near me at the Wisconsin Dells have to offer. Now see, they are worth it because when you go to the Dells, much of your time is spent "relaxing". They have attractions, but none that can really take up a whole day.
    Relaxing isn't 'when there is nothing else to do'. Relaxing is an 'activity' in its own right. Some days you simply choose to not dive into the high activity events like an amusement park. If you can do that at home.. with all the same freedoms like no responsibilities.. no laundry.. no meal cooking.. no cleaning.. no 'honey-doos' or with all the amenities at your finger tips.. you are either filthy rich or a kid living at home.

    Funny how you don't see many people traveling from around the country or the world to visit the 'full range' the Dells have to offer.. coincidence?

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by NickCharles View Post
    Ummmmm, yeah the Poly is a Disney Resort Hotel, on the Lagoon with a marina, monorail service to the parks and a nice atmosphere. Nobody said the Poly or the Wilderness Lodge or the Yacht Club et al was the Ritz Carlton, Naples.
    And I'm not saying they don't have their place, but that they're a rather new concept compared to, say, the Disneyland Hotel. Which has never really been big on atmosphere.

    And I've also said it before elsewhere on this site and I'll say it again: The rates Disney charges for those hotels are highway robbery. However, I go to Disney, I stay there or just don't go.
    Okay, well, that's a start. I mean, you admit you're getting ripped off, which is the most I can ask for out of your choices. And you're free to make those choices but your righteousness ends when you start saying that the values for whatever reason should not exist. Just because you stay at a Deluxe doesn't mean the Values ruin your stay, do they? If anything else they set a price floor so you don't see the Deluxe rates hyperinflate even farther than they are.

    And just for once, do you think you can post here WITHOUT blabbing about living in Las Vegas? Who cares? I live in New York City. Let's talk about expensive hotels, shall we?
    Wow, and from the guy who chewed me out for an "uncalled for comment" in the Space Mountain thread.

    How often do you actually stay in those expensive hotels, though? I was coming here for years before, and I still see what you can get for your money by way of good friends who live out of town and come here and spend GF style rates. The MGM Skyloft will blow away just about anything at WDW, and just so you know it was intended for people who don't want to gamble.

    Keep in mind too, the hotel rates in Vegas are STILL subsidized by the casinos.
    Are WDW hotel rates not subsidized by Disney being only business in town for a few miles radius? Last I checked, $100 a night will not get you squat from the Official Hotels of the Disneyland Resort.

    Of course, if there were no casino downstairs, then who the hell would go to Vegas?
    If there was no theme park next door, who the hell would go to swampland Florida? We'd all be in Miami or something.

    Also, the original WDW plan was ALL deluxe hotels. Contemporary, Asian, Venetian, Polynesian and Persian.
    Yes but the WDW plan also included LBV and that disappeared as soon as Disney remembered that residents would have a say in forming the municipal government. That was the point where things changed.

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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Then goto an amusement park.. not a resort. Some people chose to vacation away from home or get away from things at home.

    A vast generalization. again.. while there are amusement parks everywhere, they are few that total up like a disney park. The same applies for water parks. My local six flags has plenty of water attractions.. but I don't think it compares to Blizzard Beach.

    Are there jaccouzi or hot tubs there.. not everyone wants to dip in the big kiddie pool.

    Relaxing isn't 'when there is nothing else to do'. Relaxing is an 'activity' in its own right. Some days you simply choose to not dive into the high activity events like an amusement park. If you can do that at home.. with all the same freedoms like no responsibilities.. no laundry.. no meal cooking.. no cleaning.. no 'honey-doos' or with all the amenities at your finger tips.. you are either filthy rich or a kid living at home.

    Funny how you don't see many people traveling from around the country or the world to visit the 'full range' the Dells have to offer.. coincidence?
    You're not really making much sense.

    First of all, Disney World consists primarily of four theme parks, which are basically themed amusement parks. Strip away the mountains of their rocks and the dark rides of their buildings and you have, voila, an amusement park. The Disney quality of show is the attraction, and it is that, not the hotels, that brings in the guests. Resorts on their own are not a draw. What would WDW be without the Magic Kingdom? What would Las Vegas be today (based on it's history) without the gambling and shows?

    Secondly, you misinterpreted me, what I was saying is that I can still go to Blizzard Beach or Typhoon Lagoon, even if I'm staying at the All-Star resorts, actually, I can get their faster, as buses from the All-Stars have been proven to run more frequently, plus, they're right next door to BB.

    Third, Jacuzzi tubs and hot tubs are nice, but I for one don't especially like them when it's 90+ degrees outside, a refreshing dip in a full scale pool is more what I'm looking for, plus, I could find a hot tub at the local Orlando Super 8, but that really isn't the draw I'm looking for.

    Fourth, it's true, getting away from it all is a great way to relax, but that's not why I spend thousands of dollars to go to Disney World. If my intentions were relaxation, I would much rather put that money to good use on a cruise or a Hawaiian vacation, where there are no theme parks and relaxation is the attraction. Finally, Wisconsin Dells is still growing, and is becoming more popular very quickly. For a town of less than 3,000 residents to see more than 3 million visitors a year, despite the seasonal climate, is pretty good. But that's not the point that was trying to be made.

    There is a reason why Disney shows off the parks before the resorts in every promotional film. The parks are the primary attraction, and for someone who needs to save up a long time to get to WDW, the parks are the focus of the trip. This is why the Value resorts are great, because they allow this to happen without pressuring the pocketbook too much.
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    Re: Staying at the Values.. like staying in a Mall!

    Quote Originally Posted by NickCharles View Post
    Oh no, I actually dislike the concept of Value "Resorts" on Disney property themselves.
    Then I guess your post wasn't one of the ones I was talking about, huh?
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