View Poll Results: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center (as orig. planned by Walt)?

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    Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    Last night, I saw the first time the film that Walt did shortly before his death in which he talked about his "Florida Project."

    If you haven't seen it, catch it here:
    http://www.waltopia.com/film.html

    Most of the film was dedicated to Epcot Center. I was surprised while watching it because I never really thought he wanted to built a *real* experimental city. I am so used to what Epcot turned out to be, that I was surprised to hear the real plans. To think what might have really been built if Walt had lived (and money were endless!)

    Now after watching the film, Epcot seemed to be an interesting concept.

    "It will be a planned, controlled community, a showcase for American industry and research, schools, cultural and educational opportunities. In EPCOT there will be no slum areas because we won't let them develop. There will be no landowners and therefore no voting control. People will rent houses in stead of buying them, and at modest rentals. There will be no retirees. Everyone must be employed. One of our requirements is that people who live in EPCOT must keep it alive."

    Dare I say..it almost sounds like a little socialist city? hehe. I am most impressed by the use of space and public transportation (esp. now that we are paying $3 + a gallon!). I also was surprised to hear Walt's plans for a corporate park as well.

    So if you have seen this film or have knowledge about Walt's vision for the real Epcot (that never was).....would you have wanted to live there?
    Does it seem almost too "ideal?" Would people have been chosen to live there? My DH thinks people would have lined up to live there...and it would have been filled with yuppies. hehe. Would it have felt like one big commune? Bottom line, would it have worked or would it just be another property for DVC? hehe. I did read it would have taken a quarter of a century to build, so people might have only moved in about 10 years ago! hehe.

    Just curious what you all think! (Sorry, if this has been posted before. I tried searching in the thread history and couldn't find something like this thread.)

    -danielle

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    It would have been interesting to live there, but ...who could afford it??

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    Absolutely not; authoritarian nightmare! I won't even live in a neighborhood with a HOA.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    I voted yes because I believe that Walt would have allowed EPCOT to evolve and change if his ideas weren't working as expected, and/or people were truly unhappy there.

    That being said, I doubt it would be at all practical to build exactly what he wanted. I mean, the dome would cost an unbelievable amount of money to build. I do, however, think it would be cool to use some of his ideas, like the monorail, Wedway people mover, underground garbage collection system etc. Some of those things, to me, wouldn't be too out of line cost-wise.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    Nope - Just a BIT too restrictive for me. Radburn communities are one thing, but Walts ideas were a little too out there,

    Sounds a bit like Mr. Scorpio to me

    Marge: Mr. Scorpio, this house is almost too good for us. I keep expecting to get the bum's rush.
    Hank Scorpio: We don't have bums in our town, Marge, and if we did they wouldn't rush; they'd be allowed to go at their own pace.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    Well I voted yes until I read what Walt's intentions were and it seems a little to Truman Show for my taste.

    Give me a house in the country within 40 minutes of Epcot and I'd be happy.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    I think it would have been wonderful at first, but I think things would have gone downhill over the years. I'd have liked to have given it a shot. Would love to see some futuristic sci fi movie some day use Walts idea for EPCOT as a basis for a city of the future though.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    A great big beautiful YES!
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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    At first I said yes, but after reading the description I would have to change my answer to no. I like owning our house. I don't like the thought of having to leave once I hit retirement age.

    I do like the idea of living and working all within the same area.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    Yes. If anyone could make a utopia, walt could've.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    It was a good concept but it certainly had its flaws.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    How many times was Walt told that his ideas wouldn't work? How many of those ideas did he turn into reality despite people telling him they wouldn't work? Aren't DL and WDW two of those ideas?

    'It's kind of fun to do the impossible'

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    It does seem like a great concept. And with that, we can all move to Celebration, FL! (If only we had the $, of course!)

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    Quote Originally Posted by ralfrick View Post
    Absolutely not; authoritarian nightmare! I won't even live in a neighborhood with a HOA.
    I am living in a neighborhood with a HOA, and I wouldn't for the same reasons.

    If Walt was to build a utopia, the best way to do that would be to run for President or something (which he likely wouldn't have won) because the challenges of such change are all related to governance and society. This wasn't changing anything as much as it was using privatization (a favorite concept in today's right-wing) to shove a condensed visual of utopia on it's citizens.

    Epcot was as close to utopia as Dumbo is to riding a real elephant.

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    Re: Would YOU have lived at Epcot Center?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacha View Post
    How many times was Walt told that his ideas wouldn't work? How many of those ideas did he turn into reality despite people telling him they wouldn't work? Aren't DL and WDW two of those ideas?

    'It's kind of fun to do the impossible'
    But it has been done - and because it does not work, it no longer is done.

    Look up Radburn NJ, Garden Cities in gerenral, and the urban design principles of Le Corbusier. All similar, all tried, and all no longer done.

    WOW - one of the rare times I am able to use those courses in urban planning.



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