Bob Iger says, "No Ratatouille Attractions"

[Coheteboy]

Originally Posted by Monkey joe

Mattel made the Ratatouille toys. Hasbro made Monster Inc, Nemo, and Increbiles

Ah, you're right. It was mattel. Still, they made crappy toys.

[MJMcB]

Originally Posted by Coheteboy

Cars are selling ENORMOUSLY well.

Says who? Have you seen figures?

[Monkey joe]

Originally Posted by Coheteboy

Ah, you're right. It was mattel. Still, they made crappy toys.

They did, but the robot plush Remy was good. Too bad that they didn't get the four horseman to scuplt the figures. Have you seen their Masters Of The Universe and DC Universe figures? They would have done one amazing Remy.

[lazyboy97O]

Originally Posted by MJMcB

Says who? Have you seen figures?

No figures, but from my few months at the Disney Store, it moves.

[GhostHost2]

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster626

Corret. There was actually all kinds of disasterous plans at Imagineering to bulldoze Carousel of Progress and a chunk of the TTA to build the big show building for the Incredibles ride. And yea, Imagineering was going to shove Incredibles (a super hero cartoon tie in) into Tomorrowland which has already been destroyed by Stitch, Monsters Inc, and Buzz lightyear tie ins which are all lame attractions on top of that (Buzz is just mediocre).

Then maybe it is good that WDI lost the rights to use the Kuka arm. The Carousel of Progress is an amazing part of Disney history and should be preserved forever. If Tomorrowland gets one more toon attraction, it should officially be considered an extension of Toontown.

Originally Posted by MJMcB

Says who? Have you seen figures?

Al Lutz said that Cars merchandise sells are approaching Star Wars merchandise sells and that is why we are getting stuck with Cars Land in DCA (groan).

[Coheteboy]

Originally Posted by MJMcB

Says who? Have you seen figures?

Says me. Someone who buys them. Someone who has spoken to the guys at Mattel about them and seeing their slate of toys for 2008, they're pulling out all the stops.

And if you ever searched for them, you'll find that you see the same Cars on the pegs all the time, but you'll never find any of the new ones that people actually want.

[GhostHost2]

Originally Posted by lazyboy97O

I don't know stats, but let's put it this way.
Cars has its own line of merchandise.
Toy Story has its own line of merchandise.
The Little Mermaid has its own line of merchandise and Ariel is a Disney Princess.
The Disney Store I work at mostly consist of Disney Princess, Disney Faries, The Little Mermaid, Cars, Toy Story, and Power Rangers. It doesn't matter how well it did, it is how well it is doing.

The fact that Toy Story, Cars, and Little Mermaid have their own line of merchandise, and are also the movies all the rides added to DCA in the next five years will be based off off (except the Trolley Cars, but that is only like an A or B Ticket) prove that the DCA expansion is only driven by merchandise.

[MJMcB]

Originally Posted by GhostHost2

The fact that Toy Story, Cars, and Little Mermaid have their own line of merchandise, and are also the movies all the rides added to DCA in the next five years will be based off off (except the Trolley Cars, but that is only like an A or B Ticket) prove that the DCA expansion is only driven by merchandise.

well, it appears the term franchise is at least driven by merchandise

[SaneVoice]

Originally Posted by GhostHost2

Attractions used to have imagination. Mr. Toad going to Hell in his Wild Ride was a work of Imagineering genius.

Please explain this statement


Thank you

[GhostHost2]

Originally Posted by SaneVoice

Please explain this statement


Thank you

Instead of passively going by scenes from the movie in Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, you 'actually' hit a train and went to Hell (among other things that happen to you in the ride). This actually 'happened' to you as you rode the ride, you were not a passive viewer of it happening to a character. Also, many scenes in Mr. Toad's Wild Ride are not (remember it still exists in DL) taken from the movie, so it took a lot more imagination to create than the ride part of The Seas with Nemo and Friends for example.

[disneyfann121]

Originally Posted by GhostHost2

Instead of passively going by scenes from the movie in Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, you 'actually' hit a train and went to Hell (among other things that happen to you in the ride). This actually 'happened' to you as you rode the ride, you were not a passive viewer of it happening to a character. Also, many scenes in Mr. Toad's Wild Ride are not (remember it still exists in DL) taken from the movie, so it took a lot more imagination to create than the ride part of The Seas with Nemo and Friends for example.

They are completely different types of rides. I love Mr. Toad, but it is a low tech ride; Nemo shows off a new technology which allows characters to appear to interact with live animals (fish) in a tank. I believe that couldn't possibly be showcased in a fast moving ride.

I am not saying that Nemo is a better ride than Mr. Toad (which happens to be my all-time favorite Fantasyland ride). What I am saying is that I enjoy Nemo for what it is, and see nothing wrong with the slow-moving, passive aspect of that ride, since what you get to see is extraordinary. Isn't Pirates slow moving and passive? Isn't HM? IASW? How about Peter Pan, Snow White, and all the other Fantasyland rides (except Toad). In fact, most dark rides are slow moving and passive. So if you dislike Nemo and the Seas, that's your personal preference, not because there is something inherently wrong with it.

[MJMcB]

Originally Posted by disneyfann121

They are completely different types of rides. I love Mr. Toad, but it is a low tech ride; Nemo shows off a new technology which allows characters to appear to interact with live animals (fish) in a tank. I believe that couldn't possibly be showcased in a fast moving ride.

I have to admit that I did enjoy that tech part of the ride. I thought it was well done. I always found the "ride" part of the Living Seas to be poorly done, though I did like the films and hydrolators.

The real problem with the refurb is the Nemo takeover in the small exhibits. Now with a giant climb-thru Bruce instead of interesting educational exhibits about fish and oceanography

[lazyboy97O]

Originally Posted by GhostHost2

The fact that Toy Story, Cars, and Little Mermaid have their own line of merchandise, and are also the movies all the rides added to DCA in the next five years will be based off off (except the Trolley Cars, but that is only like an A or B Ticket) prove that the DCA expansion is only driven by merchandise.

I believe it was over at Blue Sky Disney, and possibly by Lutz too, that there may actually be some clever thinking on the part of Weiss and his team. The synergy, short term focus of the Phase I attractions are there to help guarantee immediate success needed for Phase II to go ahead, which will then contain two (?) non-synergy E-Tickets. Makes sense, but I'm too demoralized to hold out too much hope.

Originally Posted by disneyfann121

They are completely different types of rides. I love Mr. Toad, but it is a low tech ride; Nemo shows off a new technology which allows characters to appear to interact with live animals (fish) in a tank. I believe that couldn't possibly be showcased in a fast moving ride.

I'm sorry, but as cool as it looks, the huge color difference along with fish going through each other, blows the illusion in my book.

Originally Posted by disneyfann121

I am not saying that Nemo is a better ride than Mr. Toad (which happens to be my all-time favorite Fantasyland ride). What I am saying is that I enjoy Nemo for what it is, and see nothing wrong with the slow-moving, passive aspect of that ride, since what you get to see is extraordinary. Isn't Pirates slow moving and passive? Isn't HM? IASW? How about Peter Pan, Snow White, and all the other Fantasyland rides (except Toad). In fact, most dark rides are slow moving and passive. So if you dislike Nemo and the Seas, that's your personal preference, not because there is something inherently wrong with it.

The issue is a continuing trend of merely retelling the story that everybody owns on DVD. The Seas with Nemo and Friends attraction is the Reader's Digest version of Finding Nemo, except it is happening "again".

[GhostHost2]

Originally Posted by lazyboy97O

I believe it was over at Blue Sky Disney, and possibly by Lutz too, that there may actually be some clever thinking on the part of Weiss and his team. The synergy, short term focus of the Phase I attractions are there to help guarantee immediate success needed for Phase II to go ahead, which will then contain two (?) non-synergy E-Tickets. Makes sense, but I'm too demoralized to hold out too much hope.

Yeah, I remember Blue Sky Disney saying the area where Redwood Creek Challenge Trail is, will hold a 'non-synergy' E-Ticket. However, these synergy attractions are going to take up a lot of room that could be used for something else. I don't understand spending 300 million dollars on a ride that may only have short term appeal. If you are going to spend 300 million dollars on a ride, build an Indy, POTC, Haunted Mansion, or Journey to the Center of the Earth. A ride that is completely timeless. Even if Indy is based on a movie franchise, that franchise had proven to stand the test of time by the time the ride opened. Plus Indy represents things that people were fasinated with before Raiders of the Lost Ark was made. You know: adventure, exotic locales, archaeology, danger, and rare treasures. Cars just represents talking cars, and I don't picture talking cars having timeless appeal.

[Monkey joe]

Originally Posted by GhostHost2

Yeah, I remember Blue Sky Disney saying the area where Redwood Creek Challenge Trail is, will hold a 'non-synergy' E-Ticket. However, these synergy attractions are going to take up a lot of room that could be used for something else. I don't understand spending 300 million dollars on a ride that may only have short term appeal. If you are going to spend 300 million dollars on a ride, build an Indy, POTC, Haunted Mansion, or Journey to the Center of the Earth. A ride that is completely timeless. Even if Indy is based on a movie franchise, that franchise had proven to stand the test of time by the time the ride opened. Plus Indy represents things that people were fasinated with before Raiders of the Lost Ark was made. You know: adventure, exotic locales, archaeology, danger, and rare treasures. Cars just represents talking cars, and I don't picture talking cars having timeless appeal.

Herbie did and he was mute.