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    Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Pssst! Wanna buy some old FastPass tickets that will supposedly get you around the long lines at Walt Disney World's most popular attractions?
    Despite Disney's insistence that old FastPasses are worthless, a brisk after-market exists on Internet sites such as eBay.
    Disney World wants to stop the trade, and a spokeswoman said the company has complained to eBay in particular. But business is business, leaving customers to take their own chances.
    "Since there are no laws prohibiting the sale of expired tickets, listings for expired tickets are allowed," eBay spokeswoman Catherine England said. "eBay does not enforce third-party contracts, so it's up to whoever issues the tickets [in this case, Disney] to enforce the terms and conditions they've defined for their tickets."
    Walt Disney World Disney spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez said Disney tries to enforce the terms, though many of those who resell FastPasses insist it's not happening.
    On most days, eBay features more than two dozen separate FastPass auctions, some for dozens of tickets. Some claim to offer VIP FastPasses good anywhere, anytime. Requested bid prices start at less than a dollar but can run into the hundreds of dollars.
    FastPasses are the little paper tokens printed by Disney World kiosk machines for many of the resort's most popular theme-park rides and other attractions. Once inside a park, visitors can pick up the passes and then return at the designated time to avoid the long waiting line for the general public. Instead, those with FastPasses are sent through an "express" entrance with a shorter wait.
    The passes are free, though there are limits on their availability each day. Disney World has offered various versions over the years, with different rules for ride entry, including a VIP FastPass introduced last fall for politicians and celebrities traveling with entourages.
    Disney tries to head off bogus tickets
    All recent FastPass tickets are stamped with a time and date, and with the warnings "NOT FOR SALE," "Valid only on date printed" and "Nontransferable." Suarez said Disney World ride and attraction attendants are instructed to reject any FastPass not stamped with the current date and time, as well as any tickets that are so old that they are not stamped with a date at all.
    "What we typically do, we have the cast member politely explain the FastPass is only valid for the date and time issued, then we invite the guest to get a valid FastPass or go to the stand-by queue," Suarez said.
    Disney also has taken steps to intercept counterfeit FastPass tickets. All valid FastPasses are cut by machine at the kiosks, resulting in perforated edges. Suarez said ride attendants are instructed to feel with their fingers for perforated edges and reject any tickets that don't have them. Disney also has been experimenting with more automated FastPass technology, adding bar codes to the tickets and installing bar-code readers at some attractions.
    Online pitches offer assurances
    In their online-auction pitches, those selling FastPasses openly debate Disney's diligence in monitoring the passes.
    "Cast members do not bother looking at the date. I am so sure of this I offer a money-back guarantee," one recent FastPass seller on eBay stated in his auction description.
    A different seller offering undated FastPasses countered: "Despite what other sellers on eBay claim, Disney IS checking dates and they ARE turning people away." But this seller argued, in his auction description, that would not be a problem with the passes he was selling because "none of these tickets has any expiration date whatsoever."
    Many of the sellers appear to be trying to sidestep potential trouble from eBay by promoting the FastPasses in their offers, but then stating in fine print that they are actually selling a plain envelope, or a Disney park map, or some other object of minute value, and are throwing in a few free FastPasses for the winning bidder.
    England said such sleight of hand is pointless.
    "These sellers think they are skirting an eBay policy when, in the case of expired tickets, no such policy applies," she said.
    The Orlando Sentinel attempted to contact several sellers, including one in Deltona who sold the Sentinel eight March 9 FastPasses to the Winnie the Pooh ride in Magic Kingdom for $6.50. But only one seller, from Georgia, responded.
    "This is the first time I've ever sold any FastPasses," the unidentified seller stated in an e-mail. "You might be better off asking someone with a little more experience. If Disney didn't scam ME every time I blinked, I wouldn't feel it necessary to try to make a little money back from our trip. You can put that in your write up. Thanks for asking."
    Source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...tory?track=rss

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Hmmm.... I've used FastPasses from previous trips and Cast Members never say anything... This is probably just Disney trying to scare people.. Cast Members are so swamped w/ people at the Entrances that don't bother checking them...

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    This has to be the best quote ever!

    If Disney didn't scam ME every time I blinked, I wouldn't feel it necessary to try to make a little money back from our trip. You can put that in your write up. Thanks for asking.

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    What they need to do is to start printing them with a barcode and then to require the person loading them to scan them. If they don't pass the scan they can't be used.

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by kcnole View Post
    What they need to do is to start printing them with a barcode and then to require the person loading them to scan them. If they don't pass the scan they can't be used.
    The article does mention that Disney has started adding barcodes to tickets and readers to some attractions. I was unaware of this being done, does anyone know which attractions are testing with that technology?

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    i think i saw one @ BTMRR...

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    As long as a system exists there will be people who try to game it to their advantage, be it Fastpasses or any other sort of system. I have seen advice as to where you can buy colored wristband like the ones for EMH, they just don't have the Disney print on them. When you find out that nights color, you put on whatever one matches. No CM's check to see if they are real, you just flash your wrist as you go into the queue.

    What happens is when gaming the system becomes so widespread that it begins to effect people who are using it as it was meant to, that is when Disney steps in and tries to install tighter controlls. Which of course raises the bar for scammers. It's a never ending circle.

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Yeah they could install a machine you could scan the fast pass and go in.
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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Simple solution: remove fastpass

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Wow, look at these prices! This is absolutely insane. Who would pay hundreds of dollars for FPs after already paying so much for park admission?!

    http://shop.ebay.com/items/__fast-pa...uscZfastpasses



    I think the majority of us are guilty of using expired FPs. If my window is from 2:30 to 3:30 and I go at 7:30, I really don't see the problem. I was one less person in line at 2:30, and one more at 7:30. In the end, it all evens out. I'm even guilty of using FPs that are a few days old. I have noticed at (especially at places like Expedition Everest), a CM will stop you at 11:57 from using a FP for 12:00. However, they could care less about a FP used for a later time period.

    There is, however, a big difference between "misusing" your own personal FPs versus actually trying to turn a profit on them.

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by ecdlanddude View Post
    Simple solution: remove fastpass
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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    yeah, fastpasses are going to be the death of Disney

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Magic View Post
    The article does mention that Disney has started adding barcodes to tickets and readers to some attractions. I was unaware of this being done, does anyone know which attractions are testing with that technology?
    All the FastPasses I've received have bar codes along the sides but whether they currently have info associated with the codes I couldn't say.

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Magic View Post
    The article does mention that Disney has started adding barcodes to tickets and readers to some attractions. I was unaware of this being done, does anyone know which attractions are testing with that technology?
    It seems that scanning barcodes would really hold up the front of the FP line. As is, people congregate at the front waiting the few minutes for their window to become active.


    Quote Originally Posted by WDWImagineer View Post
    yeah, fastpasses are going to be the death of Disney
    I think that if Disney takes FP away, the average FP depedent guest will be very upset. The arguments against FP, while somewhat valid, are difficult to understand. All the average guest knows is that FP personally saves them time in line. And, the system has been around for many years now.

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    Re: Disney Fighting 'FastPass' Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
    I think the majority of us are guilty of using expired FPs. If my window is from 2:30 to 3:30 and I go at 7:30, I really don't see the problem. I was one less person in line at 2:30, and one more at 7:30. In the end, it all evens out. I'm even guilty of using FPs that are a few days old. I have noticed at (especially at places like Expedition Everest), a CM will stop you at 11:57 from using a FP for 12:00. However, they could care less about a FP used for a later time period.

    There is, however, a big difference between "misusing" your own personal FPs versus actually trying to turn a profit on them.
    It's actually Disney policy that they accept expired FP's on the SAME DAY, so you can go after the time printed on your FP.

    And you can use dream FP's any day, not just the day you get them.

    But using a FP from a previous day, I've never heard of, or done.


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