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    Re: April 24, 2009: Skyway to Fantasyland

    the skyway....im guessing it was ok they took it off...but it just makes me wonder....y are they not using the fantasyland station???

    they could make that into the new princess fantasy fair...and maybe bring a good show back to the fantasyland teather?
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    Re: April 24, 2009: Skyway to Fantasyland

    Quote Originally Posted by D.E.1955 View Post
    the skyway....im guessing it was ok they took it off...but it just makes me wonder....y are they not using the fantasyland station???

    they could make that into the new princess fantasy fair...and maybe bring a good show back to the fantasyland teather?
    I can explain it in one law - the Americans with Disabilities Act.

    They could put something interesting up in that abandoned Swiss Chalet of a Skyway Station - but then they would need a way to get wheelchairs and ECV's up there. Some sort of an elevator, or a stair lift, or a reeeeeeeeeeally long ramp winding through the trees that would take up half the hill.

    An elevator would be the most practical solution - but you just added roughly a quarter-million dollars to the construction and renovation costs. So unless you have something Really Big in mind for that Chateau that's an instant deal-breaker.

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    Re: April 24, 2009: Skyway to Fantasyland

    the ada law is a joke.there are similar vonroll type 101s that are direct ancestors of the disneyland skyway.it was a excuse to remove the ride...for instance,the san diego zoo and especially the 1961 vonroll at cedar point still run to this day.cedar point you need to walk up steps.there vonroll skyride still runs to this day!!!!!!why not disneyland???san diego zoo transports over 3 million people a year on there 1969 vr 101 vonroll skyride..a.d.a... b.s.!should have never removed the skyway at disneyland..the stress cracks in the matterhorn,could have been fixed! i have a yahoo groups page with nothing but skyway info. disneylandskyway : Home of the VonRoll VR 101
    i have the entire operation manual from the skyway,a actual vonroll vr101 grip that is the same as the disneyland skyway.a working model of the skyway in my backyard..im your skyway sourse...even the maintance manual that goes to the vr101 skyrides..strait from vonroll..
    long live the 1st vonroll type 101.the disneyland skyway.rest in peace old friend.love ya skyway! bring back the skyway!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/disneylandskyway/ My Facebook Skyway group http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/...d=115004863923

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    Re: April 24, 2009: Skyway to Fantasyland

    Quote Originally Posted by vonrollskyway1 View Post
    the ada law is a joke.there are similar vonroll type 101s that are direct ancestors of the disneyland skyway.it was a excuse to remove the ride...
    A few comments:

    Bruce Bergman was discussing how the ADA would be an issue if Disney ever decided to use the Fantasyland station of the Skyway for an entirely new purpose. Bruce Bergman is correct.

    Even if the ADA were repealed tomorrow, I think it's safe to say that Disney would want to make any new restaurant, shop, exhibit, or meet-and-greet accessible to all guests.

    Regarding the Skyway ride and the ADA...

    Disney never claimed that they removed the Skyway from Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom due to the ADA. As I recall, the reason given was something along the lines of "decreased popularity." In other words, Disney did not use the ADA as an "excuse to remove the ride."

    People on the Internet speculated about the ADA. But, ultimately, the Skyway closures were due to financial reasons, not legal reasons. Disney management at the time did not want to spend the money to operate, maintain, and periodically overhaul the attraction.
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    Re: April 24, 2009: Skyway to Fantasyland

    If you got hold of someone who really knew and kept pressing Disney till you got a real answer, they most likely removed the Skyway from all the stateside Disney parks for two financial reasons.

    One was the operation and maintenance costs of the ride system, since it was labor intensive for the throughput they got - it took three CM's minimum at each end. (Four to five when you figure in extra CM's to cover breaks and lunches.)

    And someone mentioned that there were cracks found in the steel of the main tower hidden inside the Matterhorn, and while it could have been repaired the costs alone would have provided a good excuse by itself.

    But the other financial reason was liability exposure. Disney is self-insured for the "small" stuff (for very liberal applications of the term "small" of course) - but no doubt carrying a Lloyds (or eq.) blanket liability policy with a 10 million dollar or higher deductible.

    Disney took a long look at the ride, and at the Disneyland incident where a Guest managed to climb out of the bucket and fall to the ground (luckily landing in a tree uninjured) and the CM that got killed at the Skyway in Florida, and they could see a pattern.

    People getting hurt or killed en masse on that ride would have taken a huge hunk out of their financials they might not recover from for decades, if ever. There are many 'Single Point of Failure' ways things could go bad on that old design VonRoll cableway - including a cable break or a main sheave failure, or people actively inducing a failure like rocking the cars into striking a tower and/or so violently they derail the cable from the tower sheaves or knock themselves and the bucket off the wire... Let's just leave it at "a paranoid person with mechanical knowledge of how that ride system works would be well within their rights to be afraid to ride it."

    In retrospect, it was a fine ride for the 1950's when people behaved in public, and Disney was absolutely scrupulous on their maintenance. Not so good for the 1990's and beyond, where they try to shave the maintenance budgets, and the Guests' personal responsibility seems to be an endangered species.

    Why work for a living when you can stage a slip and fall, sue the business for big bucks, and retire on the proceeds. 99.9% of us don't think like that of course, but it only takes one who does...

    Disney could have modified the Skyway to a modern multiple-cable system to make failure a far more remote chance, like the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway (et al) - but that would cost Big Bucks, and could make the system impractical to operate.

    And now that it's been closed for so long, the ADA rules kick in if they wanted to reopen it. Or put something else new up there at either end, as I said before.

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